Potential dilemma for a golf club manager/secretary

[HawkeyeMS]

So the guy who shot 44 shots over his handicap is fine to play

I actually didn't discover that until I posted. (EDIT: Not sure how those two posts ended up in that order as that isn't the order I posted them in )

In this situation, I would hope that he wouldn't be allocated a handicap.

 

[garyinderry]

So the guy who shot 44 shots over his handicap is fine to play

hey, I was about to post that!

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Ok lets move the situation on 2-3 weeks.

This person has been playing in competitions 2-3 weeks running and is generally causing mayhem holding the field up. Multiple complaints from members have been made. Rounds are taking 5 hours plus minimum and people aren't finishing rounds. The warnings and penalty shots have fell on deaf ears as they aren't bothered about winning or even competing they are just out there for a knock around and to enjoy themselves.

How would you as the person who makes the decisions address this?

Ban this person from competitions and be called a golf snob?

Allow them to continue and see more and more members get disgruntled?

Do you try to think of a process to help stop this situation ever happening to begin with?

The more I think of this the more I reckon its a massive issue that probably rears itself at a lot of golf clubs at some point in time.

Is it really a massive issue ?

Which part is the massive issue because it appears to be two different things - slow play and poor play

Now slow play is a massive issue but slow play can be from scratch players as well as high handicappers.

You can warn the player for slow play and but you can't warn a player for poor play.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I actually didn't discover that until I posted.

In this situation, I would hope that he wouldn't be allocated a handicap.

What about his other scores - maybe it was a very poor round caused by injury. Lots of judgements being made currently

 

[HawkeyeMS]

What about his other scores - maybe it was a very poor round caused by injury. Lots of judgements being made currently

Maybe it was because of injury, but then should he have continued? 12 shots on a par 3 followed by 14 shots on a par 3 two holes later seems a few too many.

However, you are right, maybe I was quick to judge.

 

[garyinderry]

you asked what score I would deem acceptable.

I would draw the line at not being able to shoot 26 points off 28. medals are unfair as anyone can run up big numbers, especially newbies but 10 shots over handicap off 28 seems about right.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

you asked what score I would deem acceptable.

I would draw the line at not being able to shoot 26 points off 28. medals are unfair as anyone can run up big numbers, especially newbies but 10 shots over handicap off 28 seems about right.

I have twice this year shot under 26 points. Best ban myself.

 

[Birchy]

Is it really a massive issue ?

Which part is the massive issue because it appears to be two different things - slow play and poor play

Now slow play is a massive issue but slow play can be from scratch players as well as high handicappers.

You can warn the player for slow play and but you can't warn a player for poor play.

Slow play is a massive issue and this is one of the causes of it so yes I would say its rather a big issue. Slow play can stem from other areas yes I totally agree.

In this instance what I have stated the consistent poor and slow play of a player has resulted in rounds becoming very slow. This has stemmed from the player being very poor overall at golf. They have made no effort to speed up or improve so what do you do?

Carry on regardless? Something has to be done to stop these situations arising surely?

 

[garyinderry]

I have twice this year shot under 26 points. Best ban myself.

I draw the line at not being able to shoot 26 points off 28. you sir, play off 6. in fact, off 28 those days you mentioned, you might well have won!

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Poor introduction system by the club IMO.
The guy should have had a playing test with the pro/committee before he was deemed good enough to play in a competition.
28 handicap can mean anything.........what if he scored 180 shots a round.

Playing in the medal may put the member off golf for life, especially if he plays with intolerant partners.

 

[MadAdey]

I do see the point you are getting at and I would hope that if someone was playing consistently like that then something would be said to them.

I am not a golf snob and believe that everyone no matter what standard they are have a right to play, but on the other hand would you be happy if he played with you in a medal playing like that? It is no fun when you can't get a rhythm going because your forever searching for someone elses ball and having to stand to one side to constantly let others play through.

 

[Birchy]

Poor introduction system by the club IMO.
The guy should have had a playing test with the pro/committee before he was deemed good enough to play in a competition.
28 handicap can mean anything.........what if he scored 180 shots a round.

Playing in the medal may put the member off golf for life, especially if he plays with intolerant partners.

A fella who I work with told me this was the norm a while back. Ive not heard of any golf clubs that still do it now, maybe this should be re-introduced?

 

[bladeplayer]

Interestingly I just looked at the results for our last medal. There was a guy off 28 who shot 142 (8, 12, 7, 5, 6, 4, 5, 4, 9, 7, 12, 6, 14, 9, 10, 6, 4, 14). I know everyone has bad rounds but 44 shots over handicap? I don't care what anyone says, you have to question whether he should be playing as I know I would have the right hump if I was in that group.

Just as an aside , we had a guy d other day went something like this for 11 holes , he did finish i just stopped after seeing the 1

Par 4 4 3 5 5 3 4 5 4 4 3



Score 7 7 6 6 8 2 7 7 5 6 1

never give up eh ha .. scores are as accurate as i can remember .. nice new watch to celebrate aswell from HDID

EDIT apologies the par & score are not showing in line for some reason , they do until i submit the reply

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Slow play is a massive issue and this is one of the causes of it so yes I would say its rather a big issue. Slow play can stem from other areas yes I totally agree.

In this instance what I have stated the consistent poor and slow play of a player has resulted in rounds becoming very slow. This has stemmed from the player being very poor overall at golf. They have made no effort to speed up or improve so what do you do?

Carry on regardless? Something has to be done to stop these situations arising surely?

But I believe you have tailored a scenario to suit your point about poor players not being allowed to play medals.

What if a very poor player was shooting over a hundred every single week but wasn't holding up play ? Is there a problem with that ?

The situation you have described I haven't witnessed - and I play every single medal during the prime time.

I do witness lots of slow play but that stems from all types of golfer - the poor ones and the good ones.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Poor introduction system by the club IMO.
The guy should have had a playing test with the pro/committee before he was deemed good enough to play in a competition.
28 handicap can mean anything.........what if he scored 180 shots a round.

Playing in the medal may put the member off golf for life, especially if he plays with intolerant partners.

Woburn still make you play with a committee member - the committee member I played with was a slow player and played poor golf that day.

 

[Deleted member 17920]

Some interesting comments so far,

I guess we are talking about your new move to a new club Birchy and your loss of form

I don't think anyone will agree on what can happen with someone who shoots 140 + regularly. I would hope a good committee or manager would speak with the golfer and recommend that he goes into stablefords until they improve and can shoot, If the competitor really insists on playing then he would have to be put with other volunteers/players who know the situation and can help.

I have had the experience of playing in a club champs at my 9 hole club were 3 golfers each took an average of 120+ and they took over 5hrs a round. It was a nightmare but I wouldn't want them to stop entering competitions.

 

[Birchy]

But I believe you have tailored a scenario to suit your point about poor players not being allowed to play medals.

What if a very poor player was shooting over a hundred every single week but wasn't holding up play ? Is there a problem with that ?

The situation you have described I haven't witnessed - and I play every single medal during the prime time.

I do witness lots of slow play but that stems from all types of golfer - the poor ones and the good ones.

This scenario is something similar to what has happened at a few clubs of people who I have spoke to and I was wondering how people would go about improving it or stopping it happening.

There is no problem if the player isn't holding up play at all obviously.

Im looking for peoples solution to one possible cause of slow play, obviously there is a shedload more.

 

[Birchy]

Some interesting comments so far,

I guess we are talking about your new move to a new club Birchy and your loss of form

I don't think anyone will agree on what can happen with someone who shoots 140 + regularly. I would hope a good committee or manager would speak with the golfer and recommend that he goes into stablefords until they improve and can shoot, If the competitor really insists on playing then he would have to be put with other volunteers/players who know the situation and can help.

I have had the experience of playing in a club champs at my 9 hole club were 3 golfers each took an average of 120+ and they took over 5hrs a round. It was a nightmare but I wouldn't want them to stop entering competitions.

Had they seen me on Sunday I would of been blackballed :rofl:

 

[Deleted member 15344]

This scenario is something similar to what has happened at a few clubs of people who I have spoke to and I was wondering how people would go about improving it or stopping it happening.

There is no problem if the player isn't holding up play at all obviously.

Im looking for peoples solution to one possible cause of slow play, obviously there is a shedload more.

Most of slow play comes from the players themselves regardless of ability - the solution to slow play is to penalise the players who cause the problem. Warnings on the course ,Shot penalties first of all , then DQ'd then bans.

 

[garyinderry]

its quite hard to police. how to you deal with jimmy. he has a bit of a gammy knee (don't we all). he is quite poor at golf and struggles to keep up with the pace of play. he cant afford a buggy. what can you do?