Posting Only Good Scores

[Monty the Dog]

With the WHS it is possible to play a round and then sign in and post your score after you have finished your round (2 hr window). What can be done to stop people doing this and therefore manipulate their handicap index (up or down)?
If someone is only posting their good scores in this way, what harm does it do?

 

[Arthur Wedge]

With the WHS it is possible to play a round and then sign in and post your score after you have finished your round (2 hr window). What can be done to stop people doing this and therefore manipulate their handicap index (up or down)?
If someone is only posting their good scores in this way, what harm does it do?

It needs a decent HC committee to be checked the rounds and then any that go on after just 2 hours get deleted

 

[nickjdavis]

With the WHS it is possible to play a round and then sign in and post your score after you have finished your round (2 hr window). What can be done to stop people doing this and therefore manipulate their handicap index (up or down)?
If someone is only posting their good scores in this way, what harm does it do?

Its possible.

As to what harm it does....basically, by manipulating a potentially artificially low handicap, a golfer may be able to gain entrance to (scratch) events at the expense of others.

 

[Skytot]

Its possible.

As to what harm it does....basically, by manipulating a potentially artificially low handicap, a golfer may be able to gain entrance to (scratch) events at the expense of others.

But apart Scratch comps what harm can it do, the majority of us are average golfers and strive to be as low as possible.I can’t see any harm in it

 

[Imurg]

Manipulating low can get you into some comps but the biggest thing is it makes it harder to compete so of you do it you're a complete plonker..
Manipulating high is, obviously, the way to become, let's say, more competitive and is the bigger issue.
Checks can be made if tee bookings are in operation as everything is time stamped but at courses with no booked times, like mine, it's potentially open season and the handicap committee have to be on their toes.

 

[clubchamp98]

But apart Scratch comps what harm can it do, the majority of us are average golfers and strive to be as low as possible.I can’t see any harm in it

Not just scratch comps!
Some really nice courses have handicap ballots if oversubscribed so a genuine low guy might get balloted out for the comp ,but a handicap cheat will get in.
That’s not right and a flaw in the system.

 

[Monty the Dog]

It needs a decent HC committee to be checked the rounds and then any that go on after just 2 hours get deleted

That would be quite an extensive task with the number of general play cards that go in daily

 

[rosecott]

That would be quite an extensive task with the number of general play cards that go in daily

Not a particularly onerous task. The committee has access to extensive detailed reports to make it easier.

 

[cliveb]

Its possible.

As to what harm it does....basically, by manipulating a potentially artificially low handicap, a golfer may be able to gain entrance to (scratch) events at the expense of others.

In addition to that, consider the hypothetically extreme case where lots of people have artificially low handicaps. This might result in the PCC going up, and then everyone else's score differentials will be too low, causing even more indexes to become too low. It's a positive feedback loop. Almost certainly not likely to happen in the real world, but in principle it could.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

That would be quite an extensive task with the number of general play cards that go in daily

A report is run every morning and it’s easy to spot

 

[irip]

Are you allowed to enter your scores after you play if you announce the intention to do a card before you tee off?
I know when I used to play (social game) then just 1 player would keep all the scores on 1 card, does this still happen or does everyone do it on their phone after each hole?

 

[Orikoru]

For all the talk of "they could qualify for an event at the expense of someone else" I think the truth is 9 times out of 10 people do this just for a vanity handicap. I know somebody who has done it, and I tend to beat him in our matches, plus he never wins our away days that we have - so it's up to him what he values more, really. Having a vanity handicap or actually being competitive.

Ultimately, who the heck is going to review these? I would imagine you're more likely flagged for a review if you put a load of crap cards in in quick succession and go up a lot. If you put a few good cards in, most would just say 'well done' and let you get on with it.

 

[pendodave]

I don't think that most "good score only" handicap manipulators are trying to sneak into the Sunningdale foursomes, they're just a bit embarrassed about how bad their golf is and that the handicap system reveals this to the world.
i know someone who took about 6 months to get his 3 cards in when they joined a club because he seemed to think he'd be judged if his number was too high. He wasn't trying to cheat anyone, he was just finding it difficult to disassociate his value as a human being with his golfing ability.

** edit. Orikoru beat me to the punch. Must type faster!

 

[patricks148]

Not just scratch comps!
Some really nice courses have handicap ballots if oversubscribed so a genuine low guy might get balloted out for the comp ,but a handicap cheat will get in.
That’s not right and a flaw in the system.

also getting picked scratch teams. we had a couple of guys who were decent golfers steady 5 handicaps. put in a load of GP scores got down to scratch, got picked for the Northern Counties team, then got beat by a team that had never won a game. neither broke 80 in club comps that year either.

 

[Neilds]

Are you allowed to enter your scores after you play if you announce the intention to do a card before you tee off?
I know when I used to play (social game) then just 1 player would keep all the scores on 1 card, does this still happen or does everyone do it on their phone after each hole?

That is what usually happens. Most people enter the scores after the round

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Are you allowed to enter your scores after you play if you announce the intention to do a card before you tee off?
I know when I used to play (social game) then just 1 player would keep all the scores on 1 card, does this still happen or does everyone do it on their phone after each hole?

If using an App to enter the scores you must start a card which is your declaration that you are entering a GP for Handicap purposes

You can then fill it in afterwards but the card on the app has to be started before the rounds starts

 

[LincolnShep]

Are you allowed to enter your scores after you play if you announce the intention to do a card before you tee off?
I know when I used to play (social game) then just 1 player would keep all the scores on 1 card, does this still happen or does everyone do it on their phone after each hole?

I don't know if entering the scores afterwards is 'allowed' or not, but it definitely happens. Most of my golfing friends enter scores as they go round (the EG app has a handy feature that flags any differences between scores entered, and you have the option to enter hole stats too) but there are some who prefer to do it afterwards. Some of them are announcing it before, some of them are just picking the good rounds. I don't get aerated by the latter - it just makes them easier to beat.

 

[Orikoru]

I don't know if entering the scores afterwards is 'allowed' or not, but it definitely happens. Most of my golfing friends enter scores as they go round (the EG app has a handy feature that flags any differences between scores entered, and you have the option to enter hole stats too) but there are some who prefer to do it afterwards. Some of them are announcing it before, some of them are just picking the good rounds. I don't get aerated by the latter - it just makes them easier to beat.

You're suppose to register your card in the app before the round. But after that it doesn't matter when you put the hole scores in. Most people do it all at the end as it's easier than faffing about with it after each hole.

 

[irip]

I don't know if entering the scores afterwards is 'allowed' or not, but it definitely happens. Most of my golfing friends enter scores as they go round (the EG app has a handy feature that flags any differences between scores entered, and you have the option to enter hole stats too) but there are some who prefer to do it afterwards. Some of them are announcing it before, some of them are just picking the good rounds. I don't get aerated by the latter - it just makes them easier to beat.

I was just wondering as can imagine it being carnage on the course if you had to enter scores as you go.
Everyone wondering about with their phone in the air trying to get a signal

 

[Springveldt]

Are you allowed to enter your scores after you play if you announce the intention to do a card before you tee off?
I know when I used to play (social game) then just 1 player would keep all the scores on 1 card, does this still happen or does everyone do it on their phone after each hole?

As long as you register the round beforehand I don't see a problem with just entering all your scores after you finish if you wanted to. I actually enter mine after each hole, I also add whoever I'm playing with to the scorecard and enter their score as well. If the other player is marking their card as they go along it will give you a warning if your scores don't match.