possible swing change looking at S&T

[JustOne]

My other concern here is the phrase "It'll be hard to find a Coach to teach you S&T".

Why is this? If S&T is the miracle cure that some seem to suggest (and I don't know as I've not tried it), then why are there no Coaches out there? It's not that new a concept is it? Surely if S&T is the universal solution we would have Coaches coming out of our ears.

That would be down to the PGA incorporating it into their teaching manifesto, next to mars bar selling.

The "traditional" approach to teaching us to play Golf has produced some mighty fine players down the years has it not? So something must be right with it?

In the past there were only a handful of players who really competed at the top level.... and what were their swings like? Have you looked? you might be surprised.

 

[JT77]

well other than just trying to maintain my level i would like to get better so i am looking at all the options. I am not sure whether it:s going to work with s and t or not. But if i don't try i will not know. The reason i posted was to gather opinion and then i can look at the options give it a try on the range and progress from there i realise as i said that my quickest way to improve is through short game and putting but if i can a more stable swing with s and t or conventionally then i will continue to try things and maybe something will click for me. And something that will hold up under pressure

 

[JustOne]

I just dug up my first efforts with the driver back in 2009
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mu3nHsORY5Y

I don't mind what anyone says, I'd still rather have the swing of the 3rd guy than all that moving around, bobbing up and down, swaying crap.

 

[Imurg]

My other concern here is the phrase "It'll be hard to find a Coach to teach you S&T".

Why is this? If S&T is the miracle cure that some seem to suggest (and I don't know as I've not tried it), then why are there no Coaches out there? It's not that new a concept is it? Surely if S&T is the universal solution we would have Coaches coming out of our ears.

That would be down to the PGA incorporating it into their teaching manifesto, next to mars bar selling.

The "traditional" approach to teaching us to play Golf has produced some mighty fine players down the years has it not? So something must be right with it?

In the past there were only a handful of players who really competed at the top level.... and what were their swings like? Have you looked? you might be surprised.

So why don't these Pros change to S&T?

And I'm not just talking about top professionals - the many who do and have played to high levels.

 

[birdieman]

presently coaches teach the more conventional method which works for 99% of us.

Firstly: Wouldn't it HAVE to if nothing else is being taught?


Secondly: Which 99% are you referring to? Only about 2-3% of players are any good at this game and that's after following literally tons and tons of 'top' advice over the past 25years+, and living the game until their hands hurt and their wives have left them.

You can't possibly be implying that 99% of golfers are happy with their game? I'd say it was likely the other way round.

99% aren't happy I agree but is any golfer happy with their swing except Johnny Miller mid 70's. Even Tiger wasn't happy when he was amassing Majors so I'm not sure what you mean by that?

Baddeley won twice on tour using S&T? What they forget to mention when they say this is that Baddeley, for a year or two, had the best putting stats on tour. The putt for dough analogy was just as relevant if not more so to Baddeley winning than his S&T swing. He has suffered a poor game for years now so S&T didn't turn him into a better player did it? Will Mackenzie is a decent pro but he hasn't turned into a regular winner either, won once I think on PGA tour when the best players were at a WGC event I think.

Don't get me wrong I am interested in it, have even tried it (as best I could from just reading the online stuff) but why should 100+ years of golf swing progress be wrong?

If Tiger or Phil or some top player starts winning big using your technique then S&T will undoubtedly take off, until then........

 

[JustOne]

So why don't these Pros change to S&T?

Let me ask you this - if your pro came to you and said "I'm going to teach you Bubba Watson's swing" would you let him? It clearly works for him so why don't all pros swing that way?

What about if he wanted you to swing like Furyk?

Which pro is it that you actually want to swing like?

In my opinion it's because S&T will make the good/average golfer better but won't put the ball out there at 400yds, which is what the pros are after. It is a 'blanket swing', something that makes the game easier for the masses. Each tour pro will ALWAYS have their own little quirks, methods or ability that the others just won't have.

I can't even PICTURE shots like Bubba Watson does!

 

[Ethan]

I just dug up my first efforts with the driver back in 2009
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mu3nHsORY5Y

I don't mind what anyone says, I'd still rather have the swing of the 3rd guy than all that moving around, bobbing up and down, swaying crap.

That second player tees up his ball like a girl.

 

[JustOne]

I just dug up my first efforts with the driver back in 2009
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mu3nHsORY5Y

I don't mind what anyone says, I'd still rather have the swing of the 3rd guy than all that moving around, bobbing up and down, swaying crap.

That second player tees up his ball like a girl.

... and hits it about as far

 

[richart]

I just dug up my first efforts with the driver back in 2009
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mu3nHsORY5Y

I don't mind what anyone says, I'd still rather have the swing of the 3rd guy than all that moving around, bobbing up and down, swaying crap.

The first two swings are not exactly good examples of a 'normal' weight shift swing. Compare Rory's, Adam Scott,Tom Watson etc etc swings with the last one, and i know which swing i would rather have

 

[JustOne]

I just dug up my first efforts with the driver back in 2009
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mu3nHsORY5Y

I don't mind what anyone says, I'd still rather have the swing of the 3rd guy than all that moving around, bobbing up and down, swaying crap.

The first two swings are not exactly good examples of a 'normal' weight shift swing. Compare Rory's, Adam Scott,Tom Watson etc etc swings with the last one, and i know which swing i would rather have

The first two guys are 12h/cap and 5h/cap, both have had umpteen squillion lessons. I'd rather be 28h/cap than swing it like either of them... or tee it up like a girl.

 

[richart]

I just dug up my first efforts with the driver back in 2009
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mu3nHsORY5Y

I don't mind what anyone says, I'd still rather have the swing of the 3rd guy than all that moving around, bobbing up and down, swaying crap.

The first two swings are not exactly good examples of a 'normal' weight shift swing. Compare Rory's, Adam Scott,Tom Watson etc etc swings with the last one, and i know which swing i would rather have

The first two guys are 12h/cap and 5h/cap, both have had umpteen squillion lessons. I'd rather be 28h/cap than swing it like either of them... or tee it up like a girl.

Wait until you get a bad back and then tell me about teeing up like a girl.

 

[chrisd]

Let me ask you this - if your pro came to you and said "I'm going to teach you Bubba Watson's swing" would you let him?

My answer might not be what you would expect!

If he could guarantee the result that I am striving for I would take Bubbas,Furyk or anyone else's swing. Ultimately it's only the results that count and if I could get to single figures, and maintain it, with any swing (even S&T) I would cheerfully do it.


Chris

 

[JustOne]

Wait until you get a bad back and then tell me about teeing up like a girl.

As a golfer I used to suffer terribly with a bad back, it's gone away now, in fact my back hasn't felt this good for years.

 

[JustOne]

Let me ask you this - if your pro came to you and said "I'm going to teach you Bubba Watson's swing" would you let him?

My answer might not be what you would expect!

If he could guarantee the result that I am striving for I would take Bubbas,Furyk or anyone else's swing. Ultimately it's only the results that count and if I could get to single figures, and maintain it, with any swing (even S&T) I would cheerfully do it.


Chris

Charlie Wi has made $5.5M in the past few years and he's even better than single figures... yesterday he was lying about 6th in the Deutsche Bank Championship and about 45th(?) in FedEx Cup standings... why not swing like him? I'd take it!

 

[richart]

Wait until you get a bad back and then tell me about teeing up like a girl.

As a golfer I used to suffer terribly with a bad back, it's gone away now, in fact my back hasn't felt this good for years.

But did you tee it up like a girl ? Be honest

 

[CrapHacker]

My other concern here is the phrase "It'll be hard to find a Coach to teach you S&T".

Why is this? If S&T is the miracle cure that some seem to suggest (and I don't know as I've not tried it), then why are there no Coaches out there? It's not that new a concept is it? Surely if S&T is the universal solution we would have Coaches coming out of our ears. The "traditional" approach to teaching us to play Golf has produced some mighty fine players down the years has it not? So something must be right with it?

When Leadbetter first appeared it took years, and Nick Faldo, for everyone to suddenly jump on the bandwagon and realise that core muscles are more important than wristy/arm swings.

It's looking like Foley might well be the next new thing.

But it'll take time for it to become commonplace.

That means one of several things :

A) We have to end up with our traditional swing until more qualified coaches take it on board.

B) We have to teach ourselves

I think there will be some rubbish coaches jumping on board this potential USP, even though they don't have a clue, and will therefore do more damage than good to some players.

I personally am rubbish at teaching myself, so I have to work on simply ideas, until I can work with someone that can help me.

There's no way I'm going to even try S&T because it would destroy my enjoyment of the game, before I showed enough improvement. I don't need to be a cat 1 golfer, but I need to know I can get better with the swing I've got.

However I can see some good things that I can use, which potentially will make my swing simpler, and hopefully more consistant.

My muscle memory was ingrained 20 years ago. I need to keep that as my core, so I can just pick up my clubs, wander out there, and enjoy a round. But by adding a few simple ideas, it means I can just about play to my 18 now, with the hope that I can get that moving downwards next year.

This time last year, I could not have said that.

 

[Deleted member 1147]

Let me ask you this - if your pro came to you and said "I'm going to teach you Bubba Watson's swing" would you let him?

If my coach told me he would make me swing like any particular pro I'd probably go elsewhere.
But, I do like the way that he compares the video of my swing to the pro's for certain aspects of the swing, stance, movements etc

I don't want to swing like someone, I want to swing properly.
ie, make it so I have the best chance of the ball being hit with a square clubface in the direction of my target.
Hopefully by being on the correct plain throughout and with all body parts being at the correct angle and position.

Whether it's called stack & tilt, conventional etc I don't care.

 

[thecraw]

Correct me if I'm wrong but my understanding of Folley is that he teaches conventional as well.

For the record again Rose does not use S&T.

 

[JustOne]

Correct me if I'm wrong but my understanding of Folley is that he teaches conventional as well.

I don't know exactly how conventional his philosphy on the golf swing is... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PhY2sQlTRx0

He might teach people to load up on their right side but after watching the vid I doubt it...??

Purely guessing on the information available.

[nb: he hits the ball better off one leg than most do off two]

 

[Screwback]

Having read this intersting thread.

To me if stack and tilt was any good there would be more than a handful of players using it though that does not make it wrong it does IMO make it a very speacilised technique and one that is not wide spread in use.

To me as amateurs we learn from watching one and other and imrove by copying the techniques other use, to use the stack and tilt method means you are going to have to learn all about it from youtube or if you can fnd a pro that teaches it.

For me give me the traditional more powerful and well used swing over S&T.

Hope thats makes sense.