Adi2Dassler
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I'm considering voting to leave The EU to create issues between Scotland and rUK thus speeding up the break up of The UK.
Poll: Britain and the EU
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FairwayDodger
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Ah but if "you lot" all do that then the Scottish vote will also be to leave, taking all the wind out of Nicola's sails!
Adi2Dassler
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Ah but if "you lot" all do that then the Scottish vote will also be to leave, taking all the wind out of Nicola's sails!
Not all of 'us' are as devious, full of hate and myopic as me
FairwayDodger
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SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
Cameron might know that - but will it actually get through to the electorate who want to vote to get OUT. Will they listen when already some on the OUT side are saying such as I mentioned and 'well they would say that... sort of stuff. I fear that many anti-european folk are simply anti-immigration and on that basis alone they will vote to leave - regardless of any negative economic impact.
SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
Well the SNP will look to use an OUT vote as a basis for a further referendum if Scotland votes to stay IN. And if you vote to leave you need to be aware - if you care one jot - that that could be an outcome of an OUT. Though in truth many in EWANI might actually want to precipitate that event.
CheltenhamHacker
Journeyman Pro
This your mate down the pub again?
I wonder how much the EU countries want us to stay, and what they'd be willing to give on to make that happen. They might not like us but as a nett contributor to the EU I'm sure they want our money.
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Snelly
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Like most I think, I would like to see the UK stay in the EU but with a far greater say on a number of issues that are detrimentally affecting the country.
As Dan Hannan said today, amazing that so many progressive types want us to stay in the EU with closer federal ties yet we pay more today to French farmers than those in African villages.
As Dan Hannan said today, amazing that so many progressive types want us to stay in the EU with closer federal ties yet we pay more today to French farmers than those in African villages.
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Foxholer
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Well stop encouraging that talk!!
Not enough granulation in the voting options for me! Certainly for UK/Britain to be in imo, but certainly issues that need to be dealt with too! I'm not in favour of 'greater political union' though - whatever that is!
scottbrown
Head Pro
I would vote to leave any sort of political union with the rest of Europe.
The original vote was around a trade agreement, that I believe is a good thing. As an independent group of countries we should be able to determine our own political agendas and rules, not be governed by a gravy train on the continent
The original vote was around a trade agreement, that I believe is a good thing. As an independent group of countries we should be able to determine our own political agendas and rules, not be governed by a gravy train on the continent
Hacker Khan
Yurt Dwelling, Yoghurt Knitter
We still have a lot of governance over both our laws and our economy. If we were in the Euro and limited to what we can do with out interest rates then I would buy the argument more over European influence. But we are not and free to set our interest rates as we need to. Also our parliament has been vomiting out new laws by the bucket load for ages now, and today I did not hear Queeny say that we would just do what Brussels told us to do. Yes of course they will have an influence on what we can and can't do in some areas which usually garner a completely disproportionate amount of publicity compared to areas where we do govern ourselves, but to say that we are governed by them to me is vastly exaggerating the situation.
And note how I manged to get through that without blaming The Daily Mail and Express for blatant scaremongering.
D'oh.
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SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
And given the stuff the I think Cameron is going to try and negotiate on - I'm not sure what of that is to do with less political union or not - I don;t think any of it actual is anything to do with political union - and as Foxholer says - whatever that is!
Foxholer
Blackballed
Remember though that the vote will simply an In/Out one! Or at least that was what was promised!
SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
Aye - no Eurolution Max option on the voting form
SocketRocket
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MadAdey
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I'm not someone who is heavily into political arguments and tend to stear clear of political news on the TV, so this is an opinion of someone who is not an expert on politics.
I see see the trading within Europe that the EU brings is a good thing, has the UK suffered or flourished because of it? IMO we have done well out of it.
My problem is this:
1) Brussels appears to have some control on how the UK is run and the laws that we have to follow. We do not have and never had for a long time problems with human rights and every man, poor or rich, having a fair say.
2) How much money do we pump into the EU compared to how much we actually get back? It feels like we are depositing £1,000 into our bank account, but the bank only crediting us with £500.
But it like I said this is the view of someone who does not follow politics.
I see see the trading within Europe that the EU brings is a good thing, has the UK suffered or flourished because of it? IMO we have done well out of it.
My problem is this:
1) Brussels appears to have some control on how the UK is run and the laws that we have to follow. We do not have and never had for a long time problems with human rights and every man, poor or rich, having a fair say.
2) How much money do we pump into the EU compared to how much we actually get back? It feels like we are depositing £1,000 into our bank account, but the bank only crediting us with £500.
But it like I said this is the view of someone who does not follow politics.
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Now the SNP have got there feet under the table, I reckon we should leave the EU and the cash we lose, we'll gain with "our" oil &gas.
gazr99
Assistant Pro
I'm happy with things the way they are, there just needs to be a look into the loopholes of immigration, i.e. people coming without any notable skills wight he sole aim of receiving benefits (I do think this over exaggerated by the media though). As well as ensuring more safeguards if we are helping bailout the likes of Greece, especially as we are not part of the Euro
