Playing partners lining up putts

[woofers]

There’s really no reason not to have a copy of the players edition of the Rule Book in your bag is there ?

 

[patricks148]

There’s really no reason not to have a copy of the players edition of the Rule Book in your bag is there ?

no there is not, unfortunatly last one got soaked and had to be chucked, 2md one this year. club didn't have any more left so not an option at the moment.

there was an R&A rules off playing two groups behind us but a 4 ball of yanks with caddy's in between, so never close enough to ask, or see for that matter

 

[Neilds]

There’s really no reason not to have a copy of the players edition of the Rule Book in your bag is there ?

Get one of these, quick and easy to find rules and as it is plastic, won’t get ruined by the rain😀😀😀

 

[jim8flog]

who says i am, rather than jumping in with both feet try reading all the posts, already said i will be informing their next oppo, no point in reporting to the comittee, he's on it, also checking out a handicap discrepency, we checked his handicap before the comp his was off 12.4, on the day is was 12.5, didn't play in the comp the day before or the any of the comps that week. I overheard him say to his partner, that he hadn't played in a comp fpr weeks.

I can understand not querying the standing behind but not querying the handicap when you say you checked before the comp!!!

 

[Swinglowandslow]

Look , the purpose of this thread was to query whether the pp standing behind was breaking the rules or not.
It was not to see if the OP had done the "right" thing or not in not consulting rule books then and there and having a confrontation etc,
He and his mate didn't want this. Their choice. No need for Kellfire to throw bollockings about( you're too fond of it)
So, lay off him. As has been stated it was match play so he and his team member were the only ones affected..

 

[chrisd]

Look , the purpose of this thread was to query whether the pp standing behind was breaking the rules or not.
It was not to see if the OP had done the "right" thing or not in not consulting rule books then and there and having a confrontation etc,
He and his mate didn't want this. Their choice. No need for Kellfire to throw bollockings about( you're too fond of it)
So, lay off him. As has been stated it was match play so he and his team member were the only ones affected..

Usually these threads spread to associated matters but it's really for the Mods to decide when enough is enough

 

[Colin L]

Which neatly answers that one. Next, please?

Well, that went well, didn’t it?

A bit of tidying up needed. The situations described so far have arisen in match play. That means we have partners and opponents only.
The OP and partner were under no obligation to say anything. You are allowed to ignore an opponent’s breach of a rule. You might choose to mention it to him after the match in order to be helpful to him for the future.

In Orikuro’s situation, there is no breach of the rule for inadvertently standing behind your partner while he takes his stance and plays. See 10.3b(3). His opponents could not call a penalty. All they could do was to say that they were going to ask the Committee for a ruling.

 

[patricks148]

I can understand not querying the standing behind but not querying the handicap when you say you checked before the comp!!!

We did my pp stated the handicap difference before the game and the OPPO said they weren't a higher handicap that was on the system that day, he had not played in the comp the day before, or from the overheard conversation even played in a comp in the last few months, so wheredid the crucial 0.1 one from.??

All very suspicious

 

[clubchamp98]

In that situation I would have asked the opponents if it is allowed to stand and line up his partner.
If they said yes then they are giving you wrong information.
That’s another ball game in matchplay.
Ask them on every hole and the match won’t last long.

 

[Colin L]

In that situation I would have asked the opponents if it is allowed to stand and line up his partner.
If they said yes then they are giving you wrong information.
That’s another ball game in matchplay.
Ask them on every hole and the match won’t last long.

If you ask if it is allowed, your opponents say yes it is and you accept that, they have done nothing wrong. You would have to speak out if you thought it wrong and make clear that you would be seeking a ruling from the Committee [20.1b(2). Misinformation on the rules is not a breach of any rule. It's your responsibility to know the rules and to protect your own rights.

 

[clubchamp98]

If you ask if it is allowed, your opponents say yes it is and you accept that, they have done nothing wrong. You would have to speak out if you thought it wrong and make clear that you would be seeking a ruling from the Committee [20.1b(2). Misinformation on the rules is not a breach of any rule. It's your responsibility to know the rules and to protect your own rights.

If you knew it was wrong you would not be asking. Some one can blatantly lie and get away with it.
If I ask “what you scored on that hole “ that question must have come up during the match.
You have to tell me including penalty shots if you say four and it should be six !
That’s wrong information .

So they can lie about the rules. And if not challenged that’s ok?
No wonder people don’t understand them.

 

[doublebogey7]

If you knew it was wrong you would not be asking. Some one can blatantly lie and get away with it.
If I ask “what you scored on that hole “ that question must have come up during the match.
You have to tell me including penalty shots if you say four and it should be six !
That’s wrong information .

So they can lie about the rules. And if not challenged that’s ok?
No wonder people don’t understand them.

Not sure anyone is saying it is ok, but in the context of a matchplay situation there is no consequence to the lier if they are not challenged, how could there be?

 

[Colin L]

If you knew it was wrong you would not be asking. Some one can blatantly lie and get away with it.
If I ask “what you scored on that hole “ that question must have come up during the match.
You have to tell me including penalty shots if you say four and it should be six !
That’s wrong information .

So they can lie about the rules. And if not challenged that’s ok?
No wonder people don’t understand them.

it's pretty straightforward. In match play you and your opponent(s) may agree on a ruling and if it's wrong it doesn't matter. If you think your opponent has breached a rule you can ignore it, or, if you raise the matter and you can't reach agreement you can refer the matter to the Committee for a later ruling. You have to state your intention to refer it to your opponent before starting the next hole or if the incident occurred on the 18th before the result of the match is posted. Rule 20.1b(2)

If your opponent misinforms you about the rules whether innocently or wilfully, and you accept what he says, that's tough. You need to know the Rules and protect your own rights.

 

[clubchamp98]

it's pretty straightforward. In match play you and your opponent(s) may agree on a ruling and if it's wrong it doesn't matter. If you think your opponent has breached a rule you can ignore it, or, if you raise the matter and you can't reach agreement you can refer the matter to the Committee for a later ruling. You have to state your intention to refer it to your opponent before starting the next hole or if the incident occurred on the 18th before the result of the match is posted. Rule 20.1b(2)

If your opponent misinforms you about the rules whether innocently or wilfully, and you accept what he says, that's tough. You need to know the Rules and protect your own rights.

I am not disputing what you say.
I just find it incredible that an experienced player could blatantly lie to an inexperienced player who would not challenge him.
That is why we have rules surely.
So if my op tells me he had a four but really had a six that’s ok if I don’t dispute it.?

 

[clubchamp98]

Not sure anyone is saying it is ok, but in the context of a matchplay situation there is no consequence to the lier if they are not challenged, how could there be?

So you are a very experienced golfer ,I am a novice in a match you can blatantly lie all the way around with me none the wiser.
People learn the rules by breaking them as your game develops. You learn not to do that again.
But if the experienced golfers bend the rules and tell the novices “ oh yes that’s ok” what are they learning.

I am not disputing the letter of the rules ,but that sounds wrong to me.

 

[Swinglowandslow]

So you are a very experienced golfer ,I am a novice in a match you can blatantly lie all the way around with me none the wiser.
People learn the rules by breaking them as your game develops. You learn not to do that again.
But if the experienced golfers bend the rules and tell the novices “ oh yes that’s ok” what are they learning.

I am not disputing the letter of the rules ,but that sounds wrong to me.

What ColinL and Doublebogey7 are saying is correct. Those are the rules.
You are correct in that it is wrong, morally wrong, for a knowledgeable ( on rules) player to get one over on the relatively ignorant opponent , who doesn't challenge rules situations, and thus there is agreement.
The only way to counteract the possibility of this is for each match to have a referee. I do remember some years ago at a club, where the semi finals and finals of match play competitions did have referees.
Whether that is now the case, I don't know.

 

[doublebogey7]

So you are a very experienced golfer ,I am a novice in a match you can blatantly lie all the way around with me none the wiser.
People learn the rules by breaking them as your game develops. You learn not to do that again.
But if the experienced golfers bend the rules and tell the novices “ oh yes that’s ok” what are they learning.

I am not disputing the letter of the rules ,but that sounds wrong to me.

A committee could disqualify a player under Rule 1.2a if they were to find a player has committed a serious breach of misconduct, though I am not sure that the OP is suggesting that to be the case. They would also have to be confident a player has lied if they wished to avoid litigation.

 

[clubchamp98]

A committee could disqualify a player under Rule 1.2a if they were to find a player has committed a serious breach of misconduct, though I am not sure that the OP is suggesting that to be the case. They would also have to be confident a player has lied if they wished to avoid litigation.

If I have read the op properly ,it’s stated they lined up almost every shot inc putts.
That’s against the rules!
So when op asked what they scored on the hole they are obliged under the rules to tell them inc any penalty shots.
That for me is giving wrong information and affects the score in the match.

It’s no wonder some people have a skewed interpretation of the rules if you are allowed to get away with lying to your op just because they aren’t experienced enough to challenge you.

 

[Colin L]

Where did the idea that the OP's opponents knew the rule and were lying about it come from? Not from the OP, but just from a gradual creep into calling the opponents chancers and assuming they knew fine what the rule was and were at it. In the absence of any evidence put forward by the OP, his opponents are moved from being ignorant of the rule to being lying chancers. That's not really on, is it?

 

[Colin L]

If I have read the op properly ,it’s stated they lined up almost every shot inc putts.
That’s against the rules!
So when op asked what they scored on the hole they are obliged under the rules to tell them inc any penalty shots.
That for me is giving wrong information and affects the score in the match.

It’s no wonder some people have a skewed interpretation of the rules if you are allowed to get away with lying to your op just because they aren’t experienced enough to challenge you.

The OP accepted the outcome of every hole and that's what stands in a match.