Adi2Dassler
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As I've said several times on the other thread, EFTA is where all the good guys are.
Plan B
- Thread starter Doon frae Troon
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AlexDarling
Club Champion
Hows that working out for them?
Adi2Dassler
Journeyman Pro
Who?The current EFTA members?Pretty good I think!
AlexDarling
Club Champion
yes thats one way of describing it- pretty average for some is another, pretty poor for a few is another and pretty nondescript for many is another.
apologies original poster for going off topic, just responding to a post
SocketRocket
Ryder Cup Winner
Well yes! A deficit does mean spending more than we earn.
Your argument is based on a situation where the EU would stop any free trade agreement with us but we would allow them one. Think about it! why would we allow a situation like that to exist. The EU would have to set up a free trade agreement with the UK, they would stand to lose too much if they didn't. They don't want punitive export taxes any more than we do.
Who said anything about sticking two fingers up to the EU? I am sure we have better diplomacy than that. The UK away from the EU would be free to set up free trade agreements with anyone they wished, now thats an exciting opportunity isn't it?
How on earth do countries like NZ and OZ manage to exist without the smothering comfort blanket of the EU?
Foxholer
Blackballed
SocketRocket
Ryder Cup Winner
Not if we had a Free Trade Agreement. The overall saving (without our share of the running the EU machine) would be considerable and the bigger potential free trade market could be very lucrative. Why pin our colours to one of the biggest shrinking markets.
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Foxholer
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You are going round in a circle! And moving the goalposts by raising the 'cost of running the EU machine'! That's nothing to do with 'Plan B'!
Already got a FTA, by being a member of the EU! Potential Free Trade market wouldn't change from what it is now! UK is quite capable of negotiating other FTAs already!
Old Skier
Tour Winner
Unfortunately the EU morphed into more than just a "free trade" agreement which was originally sanctioned by the British electorate.
SocketRocket
Ryder Cup Winner
The savings are everything to do with 'Plan B'.
We have a FTA with the EU but IMO give up too much for it. There is a better way outside the club.
The UK are not allowed to agree FTA with anyone at the moment, that can only be done through the EU. For example: The EU have failed to agree a FTA with India but the EFTA has done it. The UK has much stronger historical links with countries like India and the USA and are better placed to make such agreements.
Foxholer
Blackballed
This is 'Plan B'!
You are talking about the confirmation or rejection of 'Plan A' - staying within the EU!
Nothing to do with this (Plan B) thread! If you wish to discuss/debate that, then start a 'Plan A or not!' one!
Btw. The EU is currently negotiating FTAs with India, Singapore and US.
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6inchcup
Journeyman Pro
why would he need a plan B,his first objective is to get us a better deal to bring to the table,this will be done prior to the referendum,when all the facts will then be discussed a referendum will be done as promised,if we vote to leave we will leave and decisions will be made,what do you want him to say,we will do xyz this would stop any negotiation ongoing and the pound would plummet,investment would stop and the country would be worse off than when BROWN did the dirty.
SocketRocket
Ryder Cup Winner
Doon frae Troon
Ryder Cup Winner
Did he not promise the UK electorate an 'In/Out' vote on Europe.
I did not see any 'devo max' type of Europe promise from the Tories. Any UK leader would naturally try to get the best deal for the UK but none of them promised an in out vote.
He must have a Plan B if the UK electorate decide that they wish to leave the EU.
Old Skier
Tour Winner
Has said all along that he will try and renegotiate certain criteria for us to remain in the EU, if the public don't/do like the new conditions then they can vote accordingly. He has always been open on his desire for the UK to remain in the UK.
Trouble is that he really hasn't left much time for this.
Doon frae Troon
Ryder Cup Winner
As I thought .....No Plan B if the electorate chose to leave the EU.
Foxholer
Blackballed
Why would he, who believes we should stay in Europe, provide a plan that would make it 'simple' to leave it?
That's not a 'Plan B' like Salmond should have been able to supply - and probably could have, but chose not to!
There will be contingency plans developed nearer the time, but they won't be made public - for the same reason!
I do find it somewhat hypocritical that those shouting most to ditch Europe were also amongst the loudest shouter of the 'need' for Scotland to remain in the UK!
Doon frae Troon
Ryder Cup Winner
Nick Robinson called both Plan B's.
Very fair minded reporter, according to some.
Very fair minded reporter, according to some.
SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
And it's a wonder how so many who lambasted Salmond and the YES campaign for not having a Plan B on currency (to their liking) at the same time will be happy to roll along with an EU OUT campaign not saying what life would be like and arrangements that would be in place having left the EU. If such a referendum come about I am sure we'll hear lots of 'it'll be alright' 'the EU will take a pragmatic view' coming from the OUT campaign.
And would OUT be out for ever? Unlike Independence I don't see why it should/would be. But if the UK did ever leave and then want to return you can be sure that one of the conditions of entry would be that the UK adopt the Euro. Now how many OUTista Eurosceptics would fancy that idea?
Hopefully it won't come to a referendum - and even if it did I expect the business and financial lobby to stay in to be way too strong.
And would OUT be out for ever? Unlike Independence I don't see why it should/would be. But if the UK did ever leave and then want to return you can be sure that one of the conditions of entry would be that the UK adopt the Euro. Now how many OUTista Eurosceptics would fancy that idea?
Hopefully it won't come to a referendum - and even if it did I expect the business and financial lobby to stay in to be way too strong.
