Piers Morgan

[BubbaP]

I’m guessing “woke” is some new buzz word for certain people to latch on

What does it mean ?‍

Thought your internet search skills were legendary ??

Here's one https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/woke-meaning-origin

Surely post #174 is political ?‍

 

[drdel]

Ìts worth noting that the lady in question has a husband that is involved with mental health charities and has himself had treatment so would know the route to help.

Her mother was a social worker who specialised in mental health...

 

[PNWokingham]

Piers will be back on GB News and more vocal than ever, trust me. It's a done deal. More viewers, more money, he'll be the winner and so will the public.

I personally found his behaviour on GMB pretty shameful on some issues and brilliant on others.

His comments on Megan Markle were right in parts. She played the victim card with the usual buzz words designed to generate outrage to an American audience. Making accusations without naming anyone is a cowardly move. Regarding her mental health no one will know and Piers was wrong to focus on that.

But stuff like being a prisoner when she was out in London every week, private jets to the French Riviera or New York having a good time is laughable. Her turnover of private staff in a short space of time is unheard of in history.

For a couple who hate publicity the interview was a spin doctors dream, no negative questions just a free reign to twist the narrative. How can she talk about family when she's ghosted most of her own Harry should be ashamed, sat there like a nodding dog grimacing in fake outrage. Never had a proper job in his life, privileged beyond belief and no wonder the British Army never let him anywhere near the front line.

spot on on megan the Manipulator - although i will not say anything negative about Harry's army time - that is to be aplauded - just a shame how things turned out and he was turned to do irreprable damage to his family and his grandma that they could say nothing bad about - other than everrthing they said!

 

[Dannyc]

? the man isn’t anywhere now beyond a loud voice on Twitter - he has next to zero influence now , no different than anyone loud mouthpiece now

Suppose u could say job done

 

[RichA]

spot on on megan the Manipulator - although i will not say anything negative about Harry's army time - that is to be aplauded - just a shame how things turned out and he was turned to do irreprable damage to his family and his grandma that they could say nothing bad about - other than everrthing they said!

I'm not pro or anti-royal, more sort of agnostic. I accept them as a fact of British life that I can't change, like the weather and the BBC.
I'm fairly certain that they weren't anointed by god though. They are where they are because they come from a long line of rich, ruthless, ambitious, manipulative, political megalomaniacs - almost by definition.
I wasn't using this forum when the Andrew v Emily Maitlis thing aired. I wonder what comments were made about irreparable damage to the family then.
I don't know Meghan Markle or Harry, so won't comment on their personalities, but I admire his service and how he has continued to represent the interests of veterans.
When they married I thought it was a good thing. If ever a gene pool needed a little depth adding to it...

 

[PNWokingham]

I'm not pro or anti-royal, more sort of agnostic. I accept them as a fact of British life that I can't change, like the weather and the BBC.
I'm fairly certain that they weren't anointed by god though. They are where they are because they come from a long line of rich, ruthless, ambitious, manipulative, political megalomaniacs - almost by definition.
I wasn't using this forum when the Andrew v Emily Maitlis thing aired. I wonder what comments were made about irreparable damage to the family then.
I don't know Meghan Markle or Harry, so won't comment on their personalities, but I admire his service and how he has continued to represent the interests of veterans.
When they married I thought it was a good thing. If ever a gene pool needed a little depth adding to it...

What Andrew has done or not done is on him. And he should be forced to have his say in court on this issue if that is what is needed from the investigation into sicko Weinstein. No comparison to this situation. And no irreparable damage to the royal family from what Andrew did. Megan and Harry have put an incendiary device under the whole institution on nothing more than one-sided staged vague comments that they know the other side will not be able to counter even if the truth is 90% on their side - or they have a completely different take on events, particvularly the race one that may be nothing more than a clummsy out-of-context comment - we will never know. But if their was real racism but a person or persons, they should properly lay out teh facts and then they will have to be taken seriously and washed in public. Either way, the damage is done

 

[rudebhoy]

spot on on megan the Manipulator - although i will not say anything negative about Harry's army time - that is to be aplauded - just a shame how things turned out and he was turned to do irreprable damage to his family and his grandma that they could say nothing bad about - other than everrthing they said!

Funny how you've never met them, yet you have come to the conclusion based on tabloid journalism that it's all her fault, and part of her evil scheme.

Just as well there are no pictures of her dressed up as a Nazi, imagine what your favourite rags would do with that?

 

[rudebhoy]

What Andrew has done or not done is on him. And he should be forced to have his say in court on this issue if that is what is needed from the investigation into sicko Weinstein. No comparison to this situation. And no irreparable damage to the royal family from what Andrew did.

Words fail me ...

 

[PNWokingham]

Funny how you've never met them, yet you have come to the conclusion based on tabloid journalism that it's all her fault, and part of her evil scheme.

Just as well there are no pictures of her dressed up as a Nazi, imagine what your favourite rags would do with that?

yawn yawn

 

[PNWokingham]

Words fail me ...

me too!

 

[Deleted member 18588]

What Andrew has done or not done is on him. And he should be forced to have his say in court on this issue if that is what is needed from the investigation into sicko Weinstein. No comparison to this situation. And no irreparable damage to the royal family from what Andrew did. Megan and Harry have put an incendiary device under the whole institution on nothing more than one-sided staged vague comments that they know the other side will not be able to counter even if the truth is 90% on their side - or they have a completely different take on events, particvularly the race one that may be nothing more than a clummsy out-of-context comment - we will never know. But if their was real racism but a person or persons, they should properly lay out teh facts and then they will have to be taken seriously and washed in public. Either way, the damage is done

You surely cannot be serious if you don't think the allegations surrounding the Duke of York and his car crash of an interview with Maitlis didn't do lasting damage to the reputation of the Royal Family.

And BTW for future reference it is the Jeffrey Epstein, Ghislaine Maxwell case where prosecutors wish to interview him and nothing to do with the Harvey Weinstein case.

 

[PNWokingham]

You surely cannot be serious if you don't think the allegations surrounding the Duke of York and his car crash of an interview with Maitlis didn't do lasting damage to the reputation of the Royal Family.

And BTW for future reference it is the Jeffrey Epstein, Ghislaine Maxwell case where prosecutors wish to interview him and nothing to do with the Harvey Weinstein case.

Thanks for the correction! And on the former point, Andrew's issues are much more isolated to him. What Harry has done is causing far more damage to the monarchy as a whole than what Andrew did. I am not saying Andrew did not cause harm but just the degree of harm

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Thanks for the correction! And on the former point, Andrew's issues are much more isolated to him. What Harry has done is causing far more damage to the monarchy as a whole than what Andrew did. I am not saying Andrew did not cause harm but just the degree of harm

I think we are getting very close to dangerous levels here

Andrew was very close friends of someone convicted ( I believe ) of sex with under age girls - Andrew himself has been accused of it and has hidden away refusing to tackle these claims

And you have Megan and Harry who has had someone question the colour of their baby as well as demean mental health -

I know which one I would see would cause more damage to the royal family - and I’m pretty sure peadophiles would be near the top of list behind murder

 

[PNWokingham]

I think we are getting very close to dangerous levels here

Andrew was very close friends of someone convicted ( I believe ) of sex with under age girls - Andrew himself has been accused of it and has hidden away refusing to tackle these claims

And you have Megan and Harry who has had someone question the colour of their baby as well as demean mental health -

I know which one I would see would cause more damage to the royal family - and I’m pretty sure peadophiles would be near the top of list behind murder

What Andrew is accused of is clearly more serious than the vague racist accusations. But Andrew can fall on his sword if any substance is proved and nothing he may have done is anything to do with the rest of his family. What Megan and Harry have done is light a fuse under the whole family and in my opinion will do more damage to the institution than Andrew. We now have talk of commonwealth countries potentially wanting to leave, many people, especially in America believing they are racist etc etc.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

What Andrew is accused of is clearly more serious than the vague racist accusations. But Andrew can fall on his sword if any substance is proved and nothing he may have done is anything to do with the rest of his family. What Megan and Harry have done is light a fuse under the whole family and in my opinion will do more damage to the institution than Andrew. We now have talk of commonwealth countries potentially wanting to leave, many people, especially in America believing they are racist etc etc.

Let’s have a bit of common sense here

What Harry and Meghan have done is ultimately want to protect themselves away from the media first of all and there have been plenty articles showing proof of how they treated Meghan vastly different to Kate. Every single day for the past 2/3 years the tabloid media have battered Meghan with Morgan at the front with his pitchfork.

The interview allowed them answer questions that were posed to them - both have them have done nothing wrong - what if everything they have said is true - the chances of it are very high when looking at the history of the royal family. It maybe dramatic a touch but there are plenty that are so far behind the times

Any talk about countries leaving the commonwealth is just nonsense

There will always be the people that overreact and again the media smack in the media

Maybe all this is exactly what the Royal Family need - to make them more relevant to modern society and how people interact with each other

Andrew on the other hand is hiding away - he is being protected , the media are silent

Hiding him away will cause more damage than anything Meghan and Harry have done

 

[Kellfire]

Russell Brand speaks well on the topic.

 

[Hobbit]

Prince Andrew; he was formally asked 9 months ago to go to America for questioning. Has he gone? What is his take on justice if he doesn't go - and let's not make this a reductive argument about the wife/driver that killed Harry Dunn. Each case should be viewed separately and dealt with, with the same outcomes in mind, i.e. that justice is served.

Has Andrew harmed the "Firm?" Of course he has, and it is naive to suggest otherwise. The Queen could very easily tell Andrew to go to the USA. But would he get a fair hearing in the USA? Sadly, people with money win court cases over there - think OJ Simpson. Even if he is guilty he'd get cleared.

Did Harry and Meghan have questions they had to answer? Er, no. They'd moved on with their lives and were/are building a new life in the USA. If this is about rebuilding the bridges, it sure is a weird way of going about it. If there are systemic issues within the Royal Household, including who said what to whom, why weren't these discussed over the course of the break-up meetings a year ago?

Harry says he wants to continue on with his charity work and various patronages; being a Royal comes with a list of duties and responsibilities. Picking and choosing shouldn't be an option. You're either out or in, or you carry on in some form of patronage that doesn't carry the Firm's badge. Why can't he use his name, if not the Royal Standard, to carry on supporting the causes he believes in (his mother did)?

Was the interview done for a fee? If it was done for free, using the media to get their side of the story out... great, respect. Is the fee going to them or to charity, or is this about earning money? We've heard its about earning money to provide a protection detail. They had a protection detail but chose to leave it behind - picking and choosing again?

Pier Morgan said he doesn't believe a word that comes out of her mouth. That's fine, he's fully entitled to hold that opinion. The problem occurs when he expresses it in public, especially using the platform he did. Loosely, it can be seen as slanderous. The argument around that is harder to nail down but, perversely, if the argument centres around defamation of character he could get a good kicking out of it. What evidence did Morgan show to back up his claim? Equally, who does the burden of proof lie with? If Harry and Meghan took him to court, how could he prove he was telling the truth? Would the Royal Household support him with evidence?

Whatever has gone on between Harry, Meghan and the Royal family, especially the fine detail around who said what to whom when is almost impossible to know without frank and open debate between both parties, and that isn't going to happen. But just how right is Piers Morgan? Maybe he is right, but where's the proof? Maybe he's wrong but where's the proof?

 

[SocketRocket]

Prince Andrew; he was formally asked 9 months ago to go to America for questioning. Has he gone? What is his take on justice if he doesn't go - and let's not make this a reductive argument about the wife/driver that killed Harry Dunn. Each case should be viewed separately and dealt with, with the same outcomes in mind, i.e. that justice is served.

Has Andrew harmed the "Firm?" Of course he has, and it is naive to suggest otherwise. The Queen could very easily tell Andrew to go to the USA. But would he get a fair hearing in the USA? Sadly, people with money win court cases over there - think OJ Simpson. Even if he is guilty he'd get cleared.

Did Harry and Meghan have questions they had to answer? Er, no. They'd moved on with their lives and were/are building a new life in the USA. If this is about rebuilding the bridges, it sure is a weird way of going about it. If there are systemic issues within the Royal Household, including who said what to whom, why weren't these discussed over the course of the break-up meetings a year ago?

Harry says he wants to continue on with his charity work and various patronages; being a Royal comes with a list of duties and responsibilities. Picking and choosing shouldn't be an option. You're either out or in, or you carry on in some form of patronage that doesn't carry the Firm's badge. Why can't he use his name, if not the Royal Standard, to carry on supporting the causes he believes in (his mother did)?

Was the interview done for a fee? If it was done for free, using the media to get their side of the story out... great, respect. Is the fee going to them or to charity, or is this about earning money? We've heard its about earning money to provide a protection detail. They had a protection detail but chose to leave it behind - picking and choosing again?

Pier Morgan said he doesn't believe a word that comes out of her mouth. That's fine, he's fully entitled to hold that opinion. The problem occurs when he expresses it in public, especially using the platform he did. Loosely, it can be seen as slanderous. The argument around that is harder to nail down but, perversely, if the argument centres around defamation of character he could get a good kicking out of it. What evidence did Morgan show to back up his claim? Equally, who does the burden of proof lie with? If Harry and Meghan took him to court, how could he prove he was telling the truth? Would the Royal Household support him with evidence?

Whatever has gone on between Harry, Meghan and the Royal family, especially the fine detail around who said what to whom when is almost impossible to know without frank and open debate between both parties, and that isn't going to happen. But just how right is Piers Morgan? Maybe he is right, but where's the proof? Maybe he's wrong but where's the proof?

Oh! what a Circus oh! what a show.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

@Hobbit , with regards to Andrew, surely US authorities could question him here? They ask permission, I think he would have to agree. All done in a UK police station.

If I was him there is no way I'd fly over there to be questioned, it would be an absolute circus.

Do we know if US authorities have actually made a request to speak to him?

 

[greenone]

I'd send him across to the US to be questioned as soon as they send anna sacoolas back here to be questioned.