Piers Morgan

[PNWokingham]

He was in the news a few days ago telling lies about refugees, guess you can't teach an old dog new tricks


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nothing actually to do with what i said and i would do not condone lying - but a different matter. You could fill a phone book with politic

...I am reminded about page 3 girls - remember them? Remember the fuss through the 70s and into the 90s around the opponents of page 3 girls. Those noisy irritating nuisances. Just a bunch of ‘libbers’ out to spoil our fun was the gentler sort of complaint that went up from the ‘get them out for the boys’ brigade. And there were many in that brigade. And they loudly dismissed the complaints that page 3 just encouraged misogyny and was totally unacceptable - what rubbish they said. Get back in your box they said. Shut up and go away they said.

But where is page 3 today. Would we have it back? It is no more because of the woke of the time - and we all owe them great thanks - because as we have been reminded terribly this week - the attitudes towards girls and women of many men is still stuck back in these days - when ogling the breasts of a half naked girl and leaving newspapers open at the page on the office desk was deemed acceptable - by many - but thankfully not by all.

not that i disagree with removing page 3 but i think it is dead as it becam outdated - the internet is a whole world of smut of whatever flavour you want and that is accessible to all and far more morally damaging than an old newspaper

 

[rudebhoy]

nothing actually to do with what i said and i would do not condone lying - but a different matter. You could fill a phone book with politic

you referred to his "new mission" and wished him luck with it, so it seems you have some respect for him.

Another poster was telling is what a great bloke he is.

The point of my post was to provide evidence (as if any was needed) that he is (or still is) a racist troublemaking piece of poo.

 

[DanFST]

Impressive level of football knowledge there.

1. The Champions League didn't exist in "60 something". It was the European Cup Celtic won in 1967.
2. Celtic also reached the final of the EC in 1970
3. Rangers won the European Cup Winners Cup in 1972
4. Aberdeen won the European Cup Winners Cup and the Super Cup in 1983
5. Celtic reached the final of the UEFA cup in 2003
6. Rangers reached the final of the UEFA cup in 2008

1) If you must be so pedantic. It was actually called the European Champions Cup, not the European cup. Which is now called the Champions League.
2) Cool, if you want to count reaching a final as a great achievement (that still doesn't fill the time period in the original post) Nottingham forest have won the tournament twice since you reached the final.
3+4) Didn't realise we were including micky mouse tournaments from beyond the time period, Even my West Ham have won the ECWC. Shall we include the Irons Intertoto cup victory in 99?
5 + 6) Again, if you want to count a final as an achievement, cool. Fits the time period.

 

[funkycoldmedina]

that is rich. Having an opinion that disagrees with the woke rant of the day is drowning out sensible debate! Rubbish. The woke do not tolerate debate and want to silence anyone who disagrees with them and add false labels to those that dare. Hence comments for not supporting racism and misogyny if you do not toe the party line. This is what is wrong with the way society is going and is very anti free speach (and that is very different to hate speach or insightment or anything crimininal). And "pick on something extreme" - is not what i did - i called out a policy solution that was being proposed (whether real or not is not the issue - it was said in public so it should be open to being countered - although clearly not on here) as being bananas. Serious issues like womens' safety need serious debate and sensible solutions not pie-in-the sky stupid woke proposals that get in the way of actually helping the situation in the real world

You've just proven the point. If you'd managed to go behind the headline grabbing snapshot the media wanted you to get outraged about there was more nuance about what she said. As she stated herself, this would never even be entertained as a serious discussion, however she made the comment to make a large statement to start a discussion which it has. Initial objective completed.

 

[Blue in Munich]

...I am reminded about page 3 girls - remember them? Remember the fuss through the 70s and into the 90s around the opponents of page 3 girls. Those noisy irritating nuisances. Just a bunch of ‘libbers’ out to spoil our fun was the gentler sort of complaint that went up from the ‘get them out for the boys’ brigade. And there were many in that brigade. And they loudly dismissed the complaints that page 3 just encouraged misogyny and was totally unacceptable - what rubbish they said. Get back in your box they said. Shut up and go away they said.

But where is page 3 today. Would we have it back? It is no more because of the woke of the time - and we all owe them great thanks - because as we have been reminded terribly this week - the attitudes towards girls and women of many men is still stuck back in these days - when ogling the breasts of a half naked girl and leaving newspapers open at the page on the office desk was deemed acceptable - by many - but thankfully not by all.

Not commenting on the rights or wrongs of Page 3, but I'd be interested to know whether or not the opponents of Page 3 asked the Page 3 girls if they were happy for them to take their jobs away from them? As far as I'm aware, none of the Page 3 Girls were forced to do it, they did so through choice. Do the Page 3 Girls owe the woke of their time great thanks for making them unemployed?

 

[rudebhoy]

1) If you must be so pedantic. It was actually called the European Champions Cup, not the European cup. Which is now called the Champions League.
2) Cool, if you want to count reaching a final as a great achievement (that still doesn't fill the time period in the original post) Nottingham forest have won the tournament twice since you reached the final.
3+4) Didn't realise we were including micky mouse tournaments from beyond the time period, Even my West Ham have won the ECWC. Shall we include the Irons Intertoto cup victory in 99?
5 + 6) Again, if you want to count a final as an achievement, cool. Fits the time period.

Liverpoolphil said:
Havent both Rangers and Celtic reached more European finals than most Prem teams in the past 20 years

DanFST said:
I would seriously doubt it.

Celtic won the Champions league in 60 something. But other than that i don't think theres anything.


So you responded to a point about reaching European finals, said no Scottish team had done so since "60 something", but I'm being "pedantic" for giving you 6 examples?

 

[ADB]

Not commenting on the rights or wrongs of Page 3, but I'd be interested to know whether or not the opponents of Page 3 asked the Page 3 girls if they were happy for them to take their jobs away from them? As far as I'm aware, none of the Page 3 Girls were forced to do it, they did so through choice. Do the Page 3 Girls owe the woke of their time great thanks for making them unemployed?

Getting rid of page 3 models has nothing to do with being 'woke' and offsetting the impact of, lets face it, objectifying women against a few contracts not being paid is laughable.
The fact that some women felt comfortable and were paid to go topless does not excuse the fact that Page 3 was wrong, full stop....IMO

 

[DanFST]

Liverpoolphil said:
Havent both Rangers and Celtic reached more European finals than most Prem teams in the past 20 years

DanFST said:
I would seriously doubt it.

Celtic won the Champions league in 60 something. But other than that i don't think theres anything.


So you responded to a point about reaching European finals, said no Scottish team had done so since "60 something", but I'm being "pedantic" for giving you 6 examples?

My doubts were correct about LPP's point. A new paragraph signalises a new idea or point. Perhaps it's the forum formatting.

The quality of Scottish football is crap, as the trophies show. And will continue to be crap until clubs spend actual decent money on youth infrastructure.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Not commenting on the rights or wrongs of Page 3, but I'd be interested to know whether or not the opponents of Page 3 asked the Page 3 girls if they were happy for them to take their jobs away from them? As far as I'm aware, none of the Page 3 Girls were forced to do it, they did so through choice. Do the Page 3 Girls owe the woke of their time great thanks for making them unemployed?

Mate, you do know they only stopped publishing it 6 years ago and that’s just not true stating they were made unemployed, they were mostly models employed by an agency and they lost 1 income stream.

 

[Pants]

Broke my heart when they stopped the page 3 girls. I used to buy The Sun every day just to oggle the girls.

It has to be said that none of them ever appeared to be unhappy at showing off their ahem finer points and they always had big



smiles on their faces.

 

[USER1999]

Broke my heart when they stopped the page 3 girls. I used to buy The Sun every day just to oggle the girls.

It has to be said that none of them ever appeared to be unhappy at showing off their ahem finer points and they always had big



smiles on their faces.

It was all in the eyes apparently.

 

[GB72]

Page 3 never really left, it just transitioned. Those that would have been on page 3 looking for fame and fortune have moved on to love island, previously big brother and other reality TV. Broken down to its basics, Page 3 was just the avenue to get those 15 minutes of fame and try and get a little bit of celebrity. Not saying it was right or wrong, just putting it in context.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Getting rid of page 3 models has nothing to do with being 'woke' and offsetting the impact of, lets face it, objectifying women against a few contracts not being paid is laughable.
The fact that some women felt comfortable and were paid to go topless does not excuse the fact that Page 3 was wrong, full stop....IMO

Being opposed to page 3 was a form of ‘being woke’ of the time...sexism is not the same as misogynism but it is on the same spectrum of attitude towards girls and women. Change only happens when there are individuals willing to work and campaign towards achieving that change. That change eventually occurred with page 3. But it took a long time.

Those dismissed and scorned for being woke are therefore being accused of wanting to highlight misogyny and racism...as if that is wrong and that trying to change societal attitude towards misogyny and racism is an undesireable outcome.

Meanwhile many of those complaining that the ‘woke‘ would remove their freedom of speech will no doubt be cheering on the DG of the BBC for cancelling The Mash Report whilst at the same time waving their patriotic flag in support of the attack on Kew Gardens by Sir John Hayes. Epic stuff.

https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-...sh-report-boris-johnson-twitter-b1816331.html

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...e-Famed-attraction-decolonised-labelling.html

 

[Imurg]

Piers Morgan to Page 3 via European Football...
This has to be a record for the most convoluted thread ever....

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Not commenting on the rights or wrongs of Page 3, but I'd be interested to know whether or not the opponents of Page 3 asked the Page 3 girls if they were happy for them to take their jobs away from them? As far as I'm aware, none of the Page 3 Girls were forced to do it, they did so through choice. Do the Page 3 Girls owe the woke of their time great thanks for making them unemployed?

Whether the page 3 girls were asked or not misses the point as it was the mindset that was created in the readers and that was manifested in their interactions with girls and women - yes - the ‘get em out for the boys’ attitude that continues today and that finds many girls and women subjected to that and similar taunts and obnoxious behaviour by men. Make something seem normal and acceptable and so it becomes.

It took a lot of hard work and acceptance of abuse for those opposed to page 3 to create public awareness, and the context and environment that saw P3 girls dropped. You might even want to chuck the suffragettes into the same pot of campaigners and in which today we find the ‘woke’ ...

 

[GuyInLyon]

...I am reminded about page 3 girls - remember them?

Page 3 girls were for "men" with the mental and/or physical age of a 13 year old.

The Daily Mail continues the tradition with their continued presentation of "curvy" girls in swimsuits and lingerie. It gets really sad when some 60 year old former game show host thinks she can hang on to "glamour" by posing in skin tight leather pants.

 

[DanFST]

Piers Morgan to Page 3 via European Football...
This has to be a record for the most convoluted thread ever....

Better than anything to do with the title!

 

[Deleted member 18588]

Whether the page 3 girls were asked or not misses the point as it was the mindset that was created in the readers and that was manifested in their interactions with girls and women - yes - the ‘get em out for the boys’ attitude that continues today and that finds many girls and women subjected to that and similar taunts and obnoxious behaviour by men. Make something seem normal and acceptable and so it becomes.

It took a lot of hard work and acceptance of abuse for those opposed to page 3 to create public awareness, and the context and environment that saw P3 girls dropped. You might even want to chuck the suffragettes into the same pot of campaigners and in which today we find the ‘woke’ ...

Total insult there to compare the suffragette movement with today's "woke" brigade

Those women fought long and bravely for their cause.

Those that proudly proclaim themselves "woke" talk a good game and little more.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Total insult there to compare the suffragette movement with today's "woke" brigade

Those women fought long and bravely for their cause.

Those that proudly proclaim themselves "woke" talk a good game and little more.

Spot on about the comparison.

Unfortunately the word “woke” has replaced “Politically Correct” is another sad americanism that has crept in over here and used by those who can’t think for themselves.

I’m not sure anyone actually proclaims themselves as “woke”

 

[Deleted Member 1156]

...I am reminded about page 3 girls - remember them? Remember the fuss through the 70s and into the 90s around the opponents of page 3 girls. Those noisy irritating nuisances. Just a bunch of ‘libbers’ out to spoil our fun was the gentler sort of complaint that went up from the ‘get them out for the boys’ brigade. And there were many in that brigade. And they loudly dismissed the complaints that page 3 just encouraged misogyny and was totally unacceptable - what rubbish they said. Get back in your box they said. Shut up and go away they said.

But where is page 3 today. Would we have it back? It is no more because of the woke of the time - and we all owe them great thanks - because as we have been reminded terribly this week - the attitudes towards girls and women of many men is still stuck back in these days - when ogling the breasts of a half naked girl and leaving newspapers open at the page on the office desk was deemed acceptable - by many - but thankfully not by all.

I'm offended by your use of the 'B' word.