Piers Morgan

Imurg said:
He wanted out.
You're also comparing apples to oranges
41k is the number of complaints about the incident not the number who want him gone.
If you set up a petition for him not to come back there may be many more than 200k on the list
Any company that receives 41k complaints about an employee isn't going to want that employee around for long..
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Sorry I did not intend it as à serious comment: more tongue in cheek. I don't like the guy but I do worry about how easily 'race'is used as tool that shuts debate.

It's worth noting the 41k were partially encouraged by Twitter campaign
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
Yes this woke nonsense, standing up against misogyny and racism - yup - total nonsense...just as well some of us don’t have personal worries about such things...:rolleyes:
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Actually I am far more concerned that the "woke" attitude often serves to provide an easy option for a largely white, middle class, often male section of society to display their "concern" on these issues whilst not actually doing anything about them.

More about showing how they "care" more than the next person.

Plenty of mealy mouthed platitudes and hand-wringing but very little action and rarely any constructive suggestions on how to address the issues.

Violence against women, racism in all its forms, discrimination on sexuality!

All of these are abhorrent but let's stop nodding around our dinner party tables and muttering how terrible other people are.

Time to put pressure on all our politicians for stronger laws, let's ensure that future generations are less influenced by the wrong people, time for action.
 
PNWokingham said:
completly twisted as usual. Woke has nothing to do do with misogyny and racism, which eveeryone should be against.
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It's actually Farage and his ilk who are misrepresenting woke to suit their agenda. They pick up on something extreme, like you did yesterday with your curfew topic and use it to drown out sensible debate by polarising the discussion.
 
MetalMickie said:
Actually I am far more concerned that the "woke" attitude often serves to provide an easy option for a largely white, middle class, often male section of society to display their "concern" on these issues whilst not actually doing anything about them.

More about showing how they "care" more than the next person.

Plenty of mealy mouthed platitudes and hand-wringing but very little action and rarely any constructive suggestions on how to address the issues.

Violence against women, racism in all its forms, discrimination on sexuality!

All of these are abhorrent but let's stop nodding around our dinner party tables and muttering how terrible other people are.

Time to put pressure on all our politicians for stronger laws, let's ensure that future generations are less influenced by the wrong people, time for action.
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It's the drowning out of debate that's the concern with this. The anti-woke are just as bad as the extreme woke and like all topics now (since the dawn of the internet?) nuanced discussion gets lost.
 
funkycoldmedina said:
It's the drowning out of debate that's the concern with this. The anti-woke are just as bad as the extreme woke and like all topics now (since the dawn of the internet?) nuanced discussion gets lost.
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This is what I miss, the ability to debate a point and reach your own conclusion. I used to be able to discuss matters based on the view that I was open to having my opinion changed on a matter in the same way that I may be able to change the opinion of someone else. Now a debate is 2 people with intransigent opinions, shouting and banging their heads together and both declaring they are right.
 
GB72 said:
This is what I miss, the ability to debate a point and reach your own conclusion. I used to be able to discuss matters based on the view that I was open to having my opinion changed on a matter in the same way that I may be able to change the opinion of someone else. Now a debate is 2 people with intransigent opinions, shouting and banging their heads together and both declaring they are right.
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unfortunately this is getting more and more prevalent - we are about to get 2 tv news channels which are "opinion-led" (presumably that's the opposite of "fact-led") so you will now be able to choose a news channel which matches your preconceived political standpoint.
 
rudebhoy said:
unfortunately this is getting more and more prevalent - we are about to get 2 tv news channels which are "opinion-led" (presumably that's the opposite of "fact-led") so you will now be able to choose a news channel which matches your preconceived political standpoint.
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Totally agree, I thought posting in the “Random Irritation” Thread meant something randomly irritated me, bit shocked to be told I was actually deeply offended and woke.?‍♂️
 
funkycoldmedina said:
It's actually Farage and his ilk who are misrepresenting woke to suit their agenda. They pick up on something extreme, like you did yesterday with your curfew topic and use it to drown out sensible debate by polarising the discussion.
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that is rich. Having an opinion that disagrees with the woke rant of the day is drowning out sensible debate! Rubbish. The woke do not tolerate debate and want to silence anyone who disagrees with them and add false labels to those that dare. Hence comments for not supporting racism and misogyny if you do not toe the party line. This is what is wrong with the way society is going and is very anti free speach (and that is very different to hate speach or insightment or anything crimininal). And "pick on something extreme" - is not what i did - i called out a policy solution that was being proposed (whether real or not is not the issue - it was said in public so it should be open to being countered - although clearly not on here) as being bananas. Serious issues like womens' safety need serious debate and sensible solutions not pie-in-the sky stupid woke proposals that get in the way of actually helping the situation in the real world
 
rudebhoy said:
unfortunately this is getting more and more prevalent - we are about to get 2 tv news channels which are "opinion-led" (presumably that's the opposite of "fact-led") so you will now be able to choose a news channel which matches your preconceived political standpoint.
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prob not if you want the truth and wrong doing taken to task
 
...I am reminded about page 3 girls - remember them? Remember the fuss through the 70s and into the 90s around the opponents of page 3 girls. Those noisy irritating nuisances. Just a bunch of ‘libbers’ out to spoil our fun was the gentler sort of complaint that went up from the ‘get them out for the boys’ brigade. And there were many in that brigade. And they loudly dismissed the complaints that page 3 just encouraged misogyny and was totally unacceptable - what rubbish they said. Get back in your box they said. Shut up and go away they said.

But where is page 3 today. Would we have it back? It is no more because of the woke of the time - and we all owe them great thanks - because as we have been reminded terribly this week - the attitudes towards girls and women of many men is still stuck back in these days - when ogling the breasts of a half naked girl and leaving newspapers open at the page on the office desk was deemed acceptable - by many - but thankfully not by all.
 
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