Penalty for Lowry
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bobmac
Major Champion
Once again, not answering the question.If they both broke the rule then they both get the penalty
Arthur Wedge
Well-known member
It’s very simple - if they both broke the same rule then they both get the same penalty
Why would someone get a different when breaking the same rule
bobmac
Major Champion
No-one said it was the same rule, where did that come from?
Last chance....Reed improved his lie in the bunker/wastland TWICE
Lowry accidentally and unknowingly moved his ball and didn't replace it 5mm nearer the hole.
Do you think they deserved the same punishment/penalty?
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Deleted member 35927
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They didnt break the same rule, your question doesnt make sense.
Arthur Wedge
Well-known member
I asked did they break the same rule
Reed broke a rule and was punished and gained the correct penalty from that rule break
Lowry broke a rule and was punished by that rule
There are multiple rules that have the same punishment
Swango1980
Well-known member
What is the point of this question? Is it meant to be some sort of clever gotcha moment!?
Many red card incidents in football are worthy of such, and many the player might be considered unlucky, but it is still a red card by the law. You could say the same about any incidents that are punished.
So, why on earth should we start comparing all the 2-shot penalty incidents in history, and rank which are the most deserving? Pointless
Lowry meant no wrong. And I'm sure he had no advantage. But his ball moved. So, yes, he deserved the penalty just like any other player that gets penalised using the Rules of Golf. It was not out of his control to avoid such an outcome, but he practiced too close to the ball, and it cost him.
bobmac
Major Champion
I'm done
doublebogey7
Head Pro
Its also not a level playing field when the camera see's exactly where a certain players ball goes into the rough, and that player also has 100's of people looking for it including Radar. Swings and roundabouts.
SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
So if I approach where my ball is and see that it is perilously perched on grass and will (almost) certainly move as soon as I take a stance and before I do any form of address or practice swing, My choice is 1) take a stance and hope beyond hope that the ball does not move, or 2) take a penalty drop (why would I do that?)
I take a stance and the ball moves - you say tough…penalty. I struggle to see that that can be the case. Surely I must be allowed to take a stance without risk of penalty in doing so.
If you cause the ball to move it's a penalty shot
. Why should there be an exception?
SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
Because I should be able to take a stance? Otherwise what are my options…the ball is stationary but clearly teetering. That’s tough…I have no options.If you cause the ball to move it's a penalty shot
Ok then…but if it’s not at all evident that taking a stance will cause it to move…I take a stance without a club in my hand and the ball moves…again tough.
Under what circumstances, if any, am I allowed to replace without penalty a ball that moved as I took a stance.
Just seems a bit harsh. I have done nothing in respect of playing a shot other than taking a stance. I thought I was allowed and be able to do that without penalty.
You hit a glorious tee shot down the middle, it lands in a divot. You go into a bunker and land in a foot mark that wasn't raked. That's just how it is. If you cause the ball to move, it's a penalty. That is how it's written
I don't think you can replace without penalty if you are the cause of the movement. It's just tough luck
I don't think you can replace without penalty if you are the cause of the movement. It's just tough luck
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Deleted member 35927
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If it's that precarious then you do as the rest of us do and be very careful! If you take your stance and it moves , then it was likely your fault .. not sure what the issue is.
Arthur Wedge
Well-known member
If your stance moves the ball then it’s a penalty
Yes harsh but that’s just the way the rules are
SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
Ok..and there are NO exceptions. I take a stance and for some reason that is unfathomable to me my ball moves, then tough. OK…but that’s tough.
rulie
Head Pro
It's all covered in Rule 9.
If you cause your ball in play to move anywhere on the golf course, except on the putting green and while trying to find it or identify it, it's a breach of Rule 9.4 and a penalty will apply. The penalty is more severe if the ball is not replaced at its original spot (estimated if necessary).
Swango1980
Well-known member
What would be the unfathomable reason, that still involved YOU being the reason the ball moved?
And, when you think of this reason, can you ever remember a moment in your whole golfing life this actually happened to you?
I suspect you are worrying about a scenario that will likely never happen.
SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
Oh I agree, and I’m OK that the rule is as it is (as if my view on any rule actually matters in any case).
I’m just thinking of how I might differentiate between the ball moving through natural causes and me making it move - and yes I know that for me with no camera on me that only I could judge - and in general I’d call myself.
I was just wondering in all the debate around Lowry’s situation whether there were any circumstances that I wouldn’t incur a penalty…as it’s always good to know the rules as at times I can use them to my advantage or to avoid disadvantage.
Slab
Occasional Tour Caddy
Well if say you take practice swing as Shane did and you do see the ball move a tiny smidge then look at the other two in your three ball and you're playing with Uri Geller & Darth Sidious then yes you may be able to avoid the penalty
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