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Slime said:
Read my posts, then come back with a counter argument.
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I have read your posts

There have been multiple people convicted of murder , or convicted of child sex abuse etc etc - crimes which you it appears would be worthy of the death penalty only to to found out to be innocent years later

So what’s your answer to the potential that an innocent person could end up being given the death penalty. If it’s a prison sentence then they are set free and compensated - can’t do that if you have them hanged
 
Liverpoolphil said:
I have read your posts

There have been multiple people convicted of murder , or convicted of child sex abuse etc etc - crimes which you it appears would be worthy of the death penalty only to to found out to be innocent years later

So what’s your answer to the potential that an innocent person could end up being given the death penalty. If it’s a prison sentence then they are set free and compensated - can’t do that if you have them hanged
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As I've already said, on more than one occasion, each case should be judged on it's own merits.
 
Slime said:
As I've already said, on more than one occasion, each case should be judged on it's own merits.
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Each case is already judged on its own merits as it is - you have drawn your line in regards the death penalty many times and every time when faced with the fact that there will always be convictions over turned you have no answer to the fact there would be the potential for an innocent man to be sentenced to death
 
Liverpoolphil said:
Each case is already judged on its own merits as it is - you have drawn your line in regards the death penalty many times and every time when faced with the fact that there will always be convictions over turned you have no answer to the fact there would be the potential for an innocent man to be sentenced to death
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You just don't or won't even try to get it.

For example : The murder of Lee Rigby.
Are they guilty. Yes.
Any doubts. No.
So, where's the potential for an innocent person to be sentenced to death?

One case taken on it's own merits. Not a difficult concept.
As Barry Scott would say .............................. Bang! And the dirt is gone.
 
Slime said:
You just don't or won't even try to get it.

For example : The murder of Lee Rigby.
Are they guilty. Yes.
Any doubts. No.
So, where's the potential for an innocent person to be sentenced to death?

One case taken on it's own merits. Not a difficult concept.
As Barry Scott would say .............................. Bang! And the dirt is gone.
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I agree there are cases where there can be absolutely no doubt on the guilt of the perpetrator.
 
Slime said:
You just don't or won't even try to get it.

For example : The murder of Lee Rigby.
Are they guilty. Yes.
Any doubts. No.
So, where's the potential for an innocent person to be sentenced to death?

One case taken on it's own merits. Not a difficult concept.
As Barry Scott would say .............................. Bang! And the dirt is gone.
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Liverpoolphil said:
Each case is already judged on its own merits as it is - you have drawn your line in regards the death penalty many times and every time when faced with the fact that there will always be convictions over turned you have no answer to the fact there would be the potential for an innocent man to be sentenced to death
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So you don’t think there are any cases that 100%?
Slime as given you a perfect example 🤷‍♂️.
 
SocketRocket said:
I agree there are cases where there can be absolutely no doubt on the guilt of the perpetrator.
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Isn’t that the measure by which everyone is found guilty? I.e “beyond all reasonable doubt”? Or using slimes method;

Deffo guilty “we seen him do it” = hang him
Deffo guilty “we didn’t see him do it but the evidence says he deffo did it” = hang him
Deffo guilty “we didn’t see him do it but the evidence shows no other logical explanation” I.e ‘beyond reasonable doubt’ = send him to prison for life but don’t hang him just in case it turns out he didn’t do it

I can imagine the appeals system will be a lot busier.

Genius!
 
gmc40 said:
Isn’t that the measure by which everyone is found guilty? I.e “beyond all reasonable doubt”? Or using slimes method;

Deffo guilty “we seen him do it” = hang him
Deffo guilty “we didn’t see him do it but the evidence says he deffo did it” = hang him
Deffo guilty “we didn’t see him do it but the evidence shows no other logical explanation” I.e ‘beyond reasonable doubt’ = send him to prison for life but don’t hang him just in case it turns out he didn’t do it

I can imagine the appeals system will be a lot busier.

Genius!
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Really?
I mean, is that how you honestly read it? :rolleyes:
 
gmc40 said:
Isn’t that the measure by which everyone is found guilty? I.e “beyond all reasonable doubt”? Or using slimes method;

Deffo guilty “we seen him do it” = hang him
Deffo guilty “we didn’t see him do it but the evidence says he deffo did it” = hang him
Deffo guilty “we didn’t see him do it but the evidence shows no other logical explanation” I.e ‘beyond reasonable doubt’ = send him to prison for life but don’t hang him just in case it turns out he didn’t do it

I can imagine the appeals system will be a lot busier.

Genius!
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Read what I said and digest it before replying. There are cases of terrorist crime where the guilt is beyond question. There are other cases where it is more subjective. Thankfully we have been given heads between our shoulders that allow us to differentiate between them.
 
SocketRocket said:
Read what I said and digest it before replying. There are cases of terrorist crime where the guilt is beyond question. There are other cases where it is more subjective. Thankfully we have been given heads between our shoulders that allow us to differentiate between them.
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My post covers both of the above. See scenarios 1 and 3
 
Slime said:
Really?
I mean, is that how you honestly read it? :rolleyes:
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Pretty much. The suggestion just doesn’t work for a number of reasons;

1. It isn’t a deterrent - look at the USA as an example
2. As previously stated, in terrorism cases you’d be turning them into a martyr
3. There’s always a risk of miscarriage of justice resulting in the wrong person being killed. One is too many IMO
4. For those who aren’t given the death penalty it throws doubt on their convictions. If the establishment aren’t convinced the alleged perpetrator has met the criteria for the death penalty then how can the conviction be safe? Appeal after appeal after appeal will follow.
5. It isn’t cheaper - appeals (of which there are many) cost money
6. Whilst all these appeals are going on they are still in the prison system, it isn’t over and done with in a few weeks. Not researched it but from what I’ve read in the past people can be on death row in the states for 20+ years.

Years of underfunding by the Tories haven’t helped. The penal and prison systems are a mess and severely underfunded.

“The party of law and order”. Yeah okay
 
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We just need more end results like on London bridge, if a terrorist is in full view of having already committed a life threatening crime (ala Lee Rigby) or is about to, then shoot them, simples.
 
gmc40 said:
Pretty much. The suggestion just doesn’t work for a number of reasons;

1. It isn’t a deterrent - look at the USA as an example
2. As previously stated, in terrorism cases you’d be turning them into a martyr
3. There’s always a risk of miscarriage of justice resulting in the wrong person being killed. One is too many IMO
4. For those who aren’t given the death penalty it throws doubt on their convictions. If the establishment aren’t convinced the alleged perpetrator has met the criteria for the death penalty then how can the conviction be safe? Appeal after appeal after appeal will follow.
5. It isn’t cheaper - appeals (of which there are many) cost money
6. Whilst all these appeals are going on they are still in the prison system, it isn’t over and done with in a few weeks. Not researched it but from what I’ve read in the past people can be on death row in the states for 20+ years.

Years of underfunding by the Tories haven’t helped. The penal and prison systems are a mess and severely underfunded.

“The party of law and order”. Yeah okay
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That is just wrong, plain and simple, 100% wrong.
 
Slime said:
That is just wrong, plain and simple, 100% wrong.
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100% wrong? So it's OK to murder someone who later turns out to be innocent? Just because we got some of the others right?

Ironically it's your attitude that does indeed prove that our society needs a good cleanse...............

(did I do enough dots?)
 
MetalMickie said:
Are we to assume from your response that you would accept one person being wrongly executed?
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TheDiablo said:
100% wrong? So it's OK to murder someone who later turns out to be innocent? Just because we got some of the others right?
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That statement was in response to the HIGHLIGHTED text in gmc40's post.
"There’s always a risk of miscarriage of justice resulting in the wrong person being killed. One is too many IMO".
I replied "That is just wrong, plain and simple, 100% wrong".
Well, there is not ALWAYS a risk of a miscarriage of justice, as I pointed out in post # 66.

But don't let facts get in the way of a good argument.
 
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