Slime
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I don't care what other countries do, that's irrelevant.
I wouldn't have the death penalty just for murders.
Nelson Mandela wasn't tried or convicted over here, so that's also irrelevant.
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I don't care what other countries do, that's irrelevant.
I wouldn't have the death penalty just for murders.
Nelson Mandela wasn't tried or convicted over here, so that's also irrelevant.
Had the same convo last night. In hindsight we can all say Mandelas cause was a just one. Since his release it’s not like his outlook changed, his methods maybe, but his POV was accepted as right.
In years to come, I don’t see there being a justification for the current terrorist attacks.
Imo if you commit or plan to, then you should be taken out of civilisation. Whether that’s death or simply solitary until you die is another convo, but any person convicted of an act of terror isn’t gonna rehabilitate.
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I’m so glad that someone like you has zero to do with our judiciary department -
Thankfully we as a civilised nation moved past the barbaric punishment of killing someone
If you want to live in a society that has the capital punishment then these some of the countries to move too
Islamic Nations
China
USA
Indonesia
Pakistan
Nigeria
But be quick as more and more are removing the barbaric punishment.
As they say one person terrorist is the next persons freedom fighter - for centuries the west have tried to dominate the Middle East countries - firstly to liberate them into Christianity all those centuries ago and then recently because of oil - the US along with ourselves have got involved with their politics because of the way they acted in their countries ( ironically for some the way they killed people as a punishment for example ) and it’s no surprise that they fight back and act out their idea of revenge. I see it getting worse and this guy will now be seen as a hero in their eyes - they should be locked away for life , solitary confinement with pure basics
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Slime
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Why am I not surprised at this kind of petty reply from you.
I can't see any justification for protecting terrorists, I'd rather protect their intended targets.
Blue in Munich
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A round of applause for whichever politician found the balls to do it from me.
Not quite sure what your problem is with taking out people who’d take out you, your wife or your daughter in a heartbeat?
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Why is it petty ?
You want to be part of a society that has the death penalty as part of his judiciary system , it was removed from our society because it wasn’t a deterrent and it was decided it wasn’t part of a civilised society - it’s not ever going to be re introduced so if you want to be part of a society like that then there are nations around the world that still have it.
And what would be the repercussions from the Islamic society for example - they are already committing these acts because of involvement in their lives - and then what happens when we start to make martyrs of them. Bringing my wife and daughter into it is low - really low , thought better.
Slime
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It may not be a deterrent, but it stops the bastards from re-offending!
Why not just keep them locked up for life - that stops them reoffending? Why kill them?
Slime
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It'd stop them trying to radicalise other prisoners which, apparently, is already becoming an issue.
Just take that danger away.
Solitary?
drdel
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Regretfully a senior MP has now stated there should not be a 'shoot-to-kill' policy. He needs to realise shooting kills it is a not Holywood stunt; firing a gun at someone is very likely to result in death. In circumstances like yesterday it was necessary to remove the threat of a potential bomb being triggered without delay; the officers need support not castigation.
Wolf
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That point right there is the crux of it and LP is on the money with that point, by giving out the death penalty to these criminals you give fuel to the rise of further Jihadist militants thus fueling their passion and hatred further of the Western world thus more attacks happen meaning more loss of innocent lives here and in other Western countries. By all means lock these people up for life in confinement away from the ability to radicalised others, even let the press leak that these people have been compliant with our security services which will shame them in their culture.
By giving them the death penalty you don't prevent further radicalisation you actually give them more fuel to do it in order to avenge the deaths of their brothers, because in the real world these people don't see it as us carrying out justice they see it as the infidel preventing the Jihadist from carrying out the role they were anointed to by Allah. This alone is the reason that the extremist ultimately feel they will inevitably win this "war" because death is the ultimate victory and with each death the west brings upon them they can secure more recruits for their cause...
If we're gonna go back to as far as the crusades then we may as well just accept its a them and us world.
I accept that wars will have played a part in some beliefs. But if we accept that as an excuse for their actions then quite simply any terrorist act should be responded to with the same force. Its not ideal, buta soft touch won't work.
Blue in Munich
Crocked Professional Yeti Impersonator
Would there be repercussions? Perhaps if we stood up to them, fought fire with fire, there wouldn’t be an issue; they’d be less inclined to do it.
And the ones that brought your wife and daughter into it are the terrorists who attack innocent civilians; I’m just pointing out the fact that they are gutless cowards who love soft targets. I’m sorry if you’re uncomfortable with that fact, but it is a fact, so please spare me the moral reprimand.
Imurg
The Grinder Of Pars (Semi Crocked)
Someone asked on Twitter yesterday of the guy was dead or injured
The reply was that a double tap from a MP5 doesn't result in injury.....
A situation like yesterday you simply can't shoot to not kill....
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Slime
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How many would then end up in solitary for up to 60 or 70 years?
a) People moan that prisons are over crowded, putting them in solitary just wouldn't help.
b) I'd sooner the money was spent on the NHS rather than keeping these people safe and well for most of a lifetime.
I'd sooner they were executed in a controlled environment, rather than on our streets.
Backache
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I think it depends by what you mean by a soft touch and work.
I would certainly agree that letting people convicted of planning serious terrorist offences early is pretty damn stupid. However that doesn't mean that the death penalty is an effective deterrent or solution. It hasn't demonstrated that before.
My general impression is that the overall action that is happening at the moment has worked at least partially and radicalisation has decreased.
Jamesbrown
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Death penalty would be effective if it was done right. It’s no good offering a meal and an early bedtime is it?
Hanging, forced drowning would be more suitable. And cheaper.
Even if your a criminal sympathiser you could at least disable them and remove some limbs, genitalia or sight if that makes you sleep better at night that criminals still have a life?
Terrorists, rapists, murderers all must go.
Hanging, forced drowning would be more suitable. And cheaper.
Even if your a criminal sympathiser you could at least disable them and remove some limbs, genitalia or sight if that makes you sleep better at night that criminals still have a life?
Terrorists, rapists, murderers all must go.
I wasn't advocating the death penalty. I'm not opposed to it tbh. But I simply meant life inprisonment for any involvement at all.
