Olympic Golf - Success

[Deleted member 15344]

So why couldn't this be the catalyst for Golf and more people taking it up, especially women.

Another link praising the Golf

http://www.golfdigest.com/story/how...ecame-the-best-golf-tournament-so-far-of-2016

It could be and I hope it will be and we will find out over the next 2/3 years if it has had an impact on the sport

And golf journos etc will of course call it a success - do you really think it was better than the Open

We need non golf people to come out and call it a success

Take Jonathon Agnew - cricket all his life - out commentating on various sports and loving it and lauding over things like show jumping or diving etc

 

[Fyldewhite]

Well, it may have done just enough to retain it's place. Absolutely inconsequential in terms of impact and "growing the game".

 

[Deleted member 16999]

So if it's too early to call it a success then the reverse is that it's too early to say it's failed or absolutely inconsequential in terms of impact and growing the game.

 

[upsidedown]

The Olympics is a special case. People who don't normally watch sport at all will watch sports that they would normally have little or no idea about or interest in.
And don't forget that this is a world wide audience, so yes, I definitely think that more non golfers watched the golf than golfers, a lot more.

:thup: Agree and chatting today at the club we'd all watched the Hockey when normally wouldn't

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Anyone know off the top of their heads who won the Mens/Womens London Olympics Fitba.


Football golf and tennis should not be Olympic sports IMVHO.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

The Olympics is a special case. People who don't normally watch sport at all will watch sports that they would normally have little or no idea about or interest in.
And don't forget that this is a world wide audience, so yes, I definitely think that more non golfers watched the golf than golfers, a lot more.

I agree people will watch sport they don't normally or sport that isn't normally on the telly - they also get caught up in the excitement and drama of what's going on

In all the other sports people had one or maybe two chances to move forward to the next round - get it wrong once or indeed twice the they are out and going home and that most of the time made it exciting and added to the drama that people could grab a hold off

With golf there wasn't that drama - every single person competed in every round , was there any drama or excitement beyond 20 mins at the end of the men's ? Was the action going on enough to grab people's attention ? So many incidents have grabbed the headlines but I can't remember any golf that hit the headlines or back or front pages bar on a golf website. The hockey final was a perfect example - front and back pages across all the media

I think that's why the format needs to be changed - the most exciting format in golf is matchplay

 

[Old Skier]

Anyone know off the top of their heads who won the Mens/Womens London Olympics Fitba.


Football golf and tennis should not be Olympic sports IMVHO.

Possibly but if giving a sport the high profile of the Olympics helps with causing a growth in the sport surely it must be a good thing no matter what the sport.

And incase your interested https://www.olympic.org/london-2012/football

 

[fundy]

It could be and I hope it will be and we will find out over the next 2/3 years if it has had an impact on the sport

And golf journos etc will of course call it a success - do you really think it was better than the Open

We need non golf people to come out and call it a success

Take Jonathon Agnew - cricket all his life - out commentating on various sports and loving it and lauding over things like show jumping or diving etc

If it means we get to watch the cricket without having to listen to him then alls good

 

[Deleted member 16999]

I agree people will watch sport they don't normally or sport that isn't normally on the telly - they also get caught up in the excitement and drama of what's going on

In all the other sports people had one or maybe two chances to move forward to the next round - get it wrong once or indeed twice the they are out and going home and that most of the time made it exciting and added to the drama that people could grab a hold off

With golf there wasn't that drama - every single person competed in every round , was there any drama or excitement beyond 20 mins at the end of the men's ? Was the action going on enough to grab people's attention ? So many incidents have grabbed the headlines but I can't remember any golf that hit the headlines or back or front pages bar on a golf website. The hockey final was a perfect example - front and back pages across all the media

I think that's why the format needs to be changed - the most exciting format in golf is matchplay

Rose made front and back pages when he won, whether it was more or less than the Hockey I have no idea,
Were was the drama of the first 7 matches the Hockey team played? Unless like yourself you're an avid Hockey fan I doubt many could name any other team in GB's Group and as well as the Women did, what publicity have we had of the mens Hockey team? Are we expecting mens Hockey to get a funding cut as they under-acieved.
The Womens result was fantastic, but personally I hope all sport gets a boost from the Olympics and I certainly won't be dismissing the achievments or possible positive knock on effects.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Rose made front and back pages when he won, whether it was more or less than the Hockey I have no idea,
Were was the drama of the first 7 matches the Hockey team played? Unless like yourself you're an avid Hockey fan I doubt many could name any other team in GB's Group and as well as the Women did, what publicity have we had of the mens Hockey team? Are we expecting mens Hockey to get a funding cut as they under-acieved.
The Womens result was fantastic, but personally I hope all sport gets a boost from the Olympics and I certainly won't be dismissing the achievments or possible positive knock on effects.

A perfect example for you was just seen on BBC

Balding asked three of our greatest Olympians what the best moment of the games was

Redgrave - Hockey
Pinsent - Hockey
Pendalton - Gymnastics

That's the affect you want to see from a sport in the Games - that's the difference between a sport grabbing the attention through the drama and excitement - I can't remember them even talking about Rose and the Golf

Yes there was drama throughout the group games because they all had a meaning - either qualfiying through to the KO or going home. I'm not sure what the funding or the men's not making it out the group has to do with the current conversation ?

I also don't think anyone has dismissed anyone's achievements

 

[upsidedown]

A perfect example for you was just seen on BBC

Balding asked three of our greatest Olympians what the best moment of the games was

Redgrave - Hockey
Pinsent - Hockey
Pendalton - Gymnastics

That's the affect you want to see from a sport in the Games - that's the difference between a sport grabbing the attention through the drama and excitement - I can't remember them even talking about Rose and the Golf

Yes there was drama throughout the group games because they all had a meaning - either qualfiying through to the KO or going home. I'm not sure what the funding or the men's not making it out the group has to do with the current conversation ?

I also don't think anyone has dismissed anyone's achievements

They talked about Rose at the start of the transmission :thup:

 

[Deleted member 16999]

A perfect example for you was just seen on BBC

Balding asked three of our greatest Olympians what the best moment of the games was

Redgrave - Hockey
Pinsent - Hockey
Pendalton - Gymnastics

That's the affect you want to see from a sport in the Games - that's the difference between a sport grabbing the attention through the drama and excitement - I can't remember them even talking about Rose and the Golf

Yes there was drama throughout the group games because they all had a meaning - either qualfiying through to the KO or going home. I'm not sure what the funding or the men's not making it out the group has to do with the current conversation ?

I also don't think anyone has dismissed anyone's achievements

Ask another 3 Olympians their greatest moment and they could answer completely differently, for me Jason Kenny or The Womens Hockey, was the highlight, this thread was about an article on the BBC about Golf being a success, to me it was, others brought different sports or media coverage funding etc into it, if the Golf isn't seen as a success then I was asking a general question if the mens hockey under achieved will this lead to a funding cut?

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Ask another 3 Olympians their greatest moment and they could answer completely differently, for me Jason Kenny or The Womens Hockey, was the highlight, this thread was about an article on the BBC about Golf being a success, to me it was, others brought different sports or media coverage funding etc into it, if the Golf isn't seen as a success then I was asking a general question if the mens hockey under achieved will this lead to a funding cut?

But how many non golfers will say Rose winning was the highlight of the games for them ? That's why I highlighted non hockey or non gymnasts picking out those relative sports as their highlights

The success of a sport in the Olympics is different in regards success of how someone performs

For me for golf to classed as successful it would have to show that golf being in the games catches the eyes and hearts of people , it helps towards improvement in participation in the sport all over the world

When non golfers start to get excited about the sport and are grabbed by it in the games then for me it's a success

Hence why for me when golf journos and the heads of golf are calling it a success I take it with a pinch of salt

As for the funding - GB hockey will prob get a rise in funding because of the success of the ladies just like in the past when the men have done well.

 

[pokerjoke]

Ask another 3 Olympians their greatest moment and they could answer completely differently, for me Jason Kenny or The Womens Hockey, was the highlight, this thread was about an article on the BBC about Golf being a success, to me it was, others brought different sports or media coverage funding etc into it, if the Golf isn't seen as a success then I was asking a general question if the mens hockey under achieved will this lead to a funding cut?

I think its all relevant to the thread.

We seem as a nation to be chucking money at sport when in other areas we are making massive cuts.

I am a massive sports fan and have watched 100,s of hours of these games and as I said success breeds success in almost every sport but the figures banded about to get medals is imo ridiculous.
The girls in the hockey did fantastic but the men did not and as I understand it for the last 3 and a half years from London they all have been full time athletes including staff at an astronomical cost and I believe this was done to give us a better chance in Rio.
Was it really worth 4 million per medal for a country cutting in other areas?

 

[Crow]

But how many non golfers will say Rose winning was the highlight of the games for them ? That's why I highlighted non hockey or non gymnasts picking out those relative sports as their highlights

The success of a sport in the Olympics is different in regards success of how someone performs

For me for golf to classed as successful it would have to show that golf being in the games catches the eyes and hearts of people , it helps towards improvement in participation in the sport all over the world

When non golfers start to get excited about the sport and are grabbed by it in the games then for me it's a success

Hence why for me when golf journos and the heads of golf are calling it a success I take it with a pinch of salt

As for the funding - GB hockey will prob get a rise in funding because of the success of the ladies just like in the past when the men have done well.

An individual's definition of success will be different to another's, your definition would seem to suggest that over 90% of participating sports were not successful.

 

[Imurg]

I bet many, many more kayakers were jumping up and down when we won Gold than non-Kyakers, but how many non-Kyakers were even watching...?
Success is very hard to define.
And you do wonder if that £108 million is money well spent.
For some it will have been.
For some it will have been a waste of money.

For me, success at a Games combines two things..
1. Actual success...medals, PB's, Records...
2. Encouraging new participation.

Whether Golf should or shouldn't be included is a debate that could last years.
Whether it will encourage new participation or not will take at least until 2018 to become apparent.
My opinion is that if a kid who hasn't been involved in either golf or Cycling, after watching both on tv these past 2 weeks is going to the Bike shop rather than AG. Unless you like Golf, a 72 hole tournament lasting in excess of 20 hours isn't going to encourage participation.
I may be wrong, but time will tell.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

I think its all relevant to the thread.

We seem as a nation to be chucking money at sport when in other areas we are making massive cuts.

I am a massive sports fan and have watched 100,s of hours of these games and as I said success breeds success in almost every sport but the figures banded about to get medals is imo ridiculous.
The girls in the hockey did fantastic but the men did not and as I understand it for the last 3 and a half years from London they all have been full time athletes including staff at an astronomical cost and I believe this was done to give us a better chance in Rio.
Was it really worth 4 million per medal for a country cutting in other areas?

Totally agree Tony, but the funding comment and the 4 Mil per medal is hindsight, we speculate with the funding 4 years in advance and putting it in cost per medal is unfair, a lot of that money goes on infrastructure etc and will be place for years.
How do we judge the 4 x 400m Mens Relay team, a track judge made a call and they're DQ'd.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

I bet many, many more kayakers were jumping up and down when we won Gold than non-Kyakers, but how many non-Kyakers were even watching...?
Success is very hard to define.
And you do wonder if that £108 million is money well spent.
For some it will have been.
For some it will have been a waste of money.

For me, success at a Games combines two things..
1. Actual success...medals, PB's, Records...
2. Encouraging new participation.

Whether Golf should or shouldn't be included is a debate that could last years.
Whether it will encourage new participation or not will take at least until 2018 to become apparent.
My opinion is that if a kid who hasn't been involved in either golf or Cycling, after watching both on tv these past 2 weeks is going to the Bike shop rather than AG. Unless you like Golf, a 72 hole tournament lasting in excess of 20 hours isn't going to encourage participation.
I may be wrong, but time will tell.

Fair points, but the article was looking at Golf on a global scale, are we being a bit insular looking at just the UK.

 

[Imurg]

Fair points, but the article was looking at Golf on a global scale, are we being a bit insular looking at just the UK.

A kid in India, Australia, Chile, Finland, Azerbaijan or Nigeria will probably feel the same if they'd watched both....IMO....

 

[Deleted member 16999]

A kid in India, Australia, Chile, Finland, Azerbaijan or Nigeria will probably feel the same if they'd watched both....IMO....

Maybe, but going on viewing figures alone, it exposed Golf to Countries and in numbers no other Golf event was ever likely to do, who knows if some kid sees it as a chance to one day represent his Country at an Olympics.