OK WHAT WILL THE GENERAL ELECTION RESULT BE?

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Lord Tyrion said:
First past the post as a system :unsure:
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Can see both sides of this argument and I don't have an answer. I remember my Uni days doing a paper on the chaos PR caused in Italy. :)

Hoges is spot on. The country doesn't have the Prime Minister it doesn't want. Labour have meandered between Blair and Corbyn... quite a swing. Need someone sensible now.
 
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pauldj42 said:
I don’t have an issue with it, we knew how it worked before we voted, it’s our democracy, if people are unhappy with it they can get involved or sit and wait until next time they get a say.
The result in any GE has to be accepted whether people agree or are unhappy with it.
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I quite agree and we certainly did know. I just think it is worth remembering when both of those parties are strutting around today talking about their dominance and their right to follow through with their policies that in both cases the bulk of their relative constiuents did not want them. I think that is quite sobering.

I have no issues in accepting the results, it is the system we have. If only Jo Swinson had remembered that :oops:
 
...and Labour voters calling in to O'Brien - actually upset and shaken that they voted Tory - but did so because they just could not vote for Corbyn - and Johnson at least promised them something. Corbyn offered them little or nothing - and the little was hidden behind the man who is Jeremy Corbyn. They have lent Johnson their vote - and they will wait and see what Johnson does.

Today any anger I have is reserved for Corbyn and those who put him there, rather than anyone or anything the Tories or Johnson said or didn't say. They ran a good race and exploited 100% the weakness of Corbyn and Labour.
 
Wolf said:
Just been talking about this with Mrs Wolf, she's got really into politics last couple of months with her potential job changes. I'm an avid believer that first past the post system needs scrapping completely in favour of a proportional representation system. Maybe next time its brought up in Parliament more will get behind it because something needs to change to truly reflect the votes cast, rather than reliance on ither parties doing badly to get others in power.
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That’s a fair point .
But PR relies on parties that can work together as they usually result in hung parliaments.
But on the showing of the last few years we don’t have the quality of MP to do this.
Maybe the quality would improve but I won’t hold my breath.

It will put to bed all those that think we didn’t know what we were voting for in the referendum.
 
Lord Tyrion said:
I quite agree and we certainly did know. I just think it is worth remembering when both of those parties are strutting around today talking about their dominance and their right to follow through with their policies that in both cases the bulk of their relative constiuents did not want them. I think that is quite sobering.

I have no issues in accepting the results, it is the system we have. If only Jo Swinson had remembered that :oops:
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The Country isn’t going to be brought together by anyone strutting around, but in any competition were you know the rules before you enter you have a right to feel vindicated if you win.
I know it’s not what people want to hear, but what’s the point of the SNP if Westminster continues to ignore them.
The Scottish people have told Westminster what they want and how they feel and to a degree will be totally ignored, that’s wrong.
I understand them banging their drum long and loud.
 
Hacker Khan said:
Well that was a &^%show. Even the tension of watching the results come in during the night is ruined as the exit polls at 10 pm spoil it all now.

I must congratulate the Tory party on getting a significant majority. To me it is clear that in the west we are mostly sliding into an era of populist right wing politics and the tories capitalized on that brilliantly, so fair play. And the left and centralists have been left behind a bit by this. I fully expect Trump to get an increased majority in the US for much the same reason if Bernie is the best alternative the democrats offer.

Reasons for Labours bad result are I expect numerous depending on where you are in the country, but again I can not see them making any progress if they follow the current momentum led far left approach. I still think a decent amount of their policies make a lot of sense, but in their current incarnation they will not make any head way with them.

As for the Tory government then whilst Boris is making some consolatory noises in his speeches this morning about governing for all, I have severe doubts. Many Tory voters have said he is not a great leader and has many faults, but we seem to be in a 'who is the least worst', and the country clearly thought it was him. We are following the US path where what was previously thought of as toxic behavior (remember when we lost out minds as Milliband could not eat a bacon sandwich and that was a big deal) is either ignored or refuted by lies in mainstream and social media. The use and manipulation though social media is an especially depressing thing to me as once we get major parties deliberately misleading, even if they claim it is not 100% a lie, then I think we are in a very dark place.

One part of me hopes the Tories may realise they have been lent many votes in the midlands and north by ex labour voters so they will try their hardest to keep them by trying to energise those parts of the country instead of leaving them to slide even more into a minimum wage zero hours contract Sports Direct based economy. Yes they will get a bit of a bounce from Brexit in those areas, but once we are out and that does not bring all the benefits many in these areas thought it would then what next? A Tory party with a significant majority who has been in power for over a decade and is out of the EU will be running out of others to blame.

Also looking at the results I think in 4 years we have gone from Great Britain to Little England and surely Scottish independence and even Irish independence may well be a key battle ground, once Brexit has died down. But whatever happens I think we will continue to become a more divided society between the haves and have nots and that is not great.
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All of this - you put it so much better than I
 
clubchamp98 said:
That’s a fair point .
But PR relies on parties that can work together as they usually result in hung parliaments.
But on the showing of the last few years we don’t have the quality of MP to do this.
Maybe the quality would improve but I won’t hold my breath.

It will put to bed all those that think we didn’t know what we were voting for in the referendum.
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Quality of MP has been failing for years and this Election has massively highlighted even further.

As for your last point completely agree, we did know what was being voted for so now its time to see what happens with it.
 
IanM said:
Can see both sides of this argument and don't have an answer. I remember my Uni days doing a paper on the chaos PR caused in Italy. :)

Hoges is spot on. The country doesn't have the Prime Minister it doesn't want. Labour have meandered between Blair and Corbyn... quite a swing. Need someone sensible now.
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i remember the same from my Politics Course at coledge and I came out in favour of FPTP as it gives cleaner goverments, often with a majority and enables policies to happen much easier than in PR, with Italy a shining example of what does not work
 
pauldj42 said:
The Country isn’t going to be brought together by anyone strutting around, but in any competition were you know the rules before you enter you have a right to feel vindicated if you win.
I know it’s not what people want to hear, but what’s the point of the SNP if Westminster continues to ignore them.
The Scottish people have told Westminster what they want and how they feel and to a degree will be totally ignored, that’s wrong.
I understand them banging their drum long and loud.
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In terms of the SNP, have they though? 55% of the Scottish electorate voted against the only party standing on an independence ticket. Now it is not as simple as that. People vote for the SNP at general elections for reasons other than independence, you will get Conservative voters who will vote for independence, but in simple terms the actual split was 45% - 55% against the SNP. That is not a mandate for Indy2.

Me, I don't care if they get independence or not but do those 55% not get a say? The same 55% who voted no last time and were told, in a very divisive vote, that it would be a once in a generation vote? Who speaks for the majority?
 
And when Johnson returns from The Palace I will force myself to listen to Johnson's 'One Nation Conservatism' speech from the steps of Number 10. And I will reflect on the words of Theresa May when she stood in the same place what seems eons ago.

But the mission to make Britain a country that works for everyone means more than fighting these injustices. If you’re from an ordinary working class family, life is much harder than many people in Westminster realise. You have a job but you don’t always have job security. You have your own home, but you worry about paying a mortgage. You can just about manage but you worry about the cost of living and getting your kids into a good school.

If you’re one of those families, if you’re just managing, I want to address you directly.

I know you’re working around the clock, I know you’re doing your best, and I know that sometimes life can be a struggle. The government I lead will be driven not by the interests of the privileged few, but by yours.

...and I will think that whilst I am told that I am hearing One Nation Conservatism - I suspect that behind it all will be Populism.
 
robinthehood said:
Didn't we have a referendum about it. ?
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5th May 2011, remember it well didnt get chance to vote sadly as was in Afghanistan.

Country voted to keep it as it is, i accept the result doesn't mean i have to agree with it or change my mind that i believe in my opinion it would be fairer. Just like i haven't changed my mind on wanting to remain in the EU but accept the outcome of the vote as thats what the nation chose.
 
PNWokingham said:
i remember the same from my Politics Course at coledge and I came out in favour of FPTP as it gives cleaner goverments, often with a majority and enables policies to happen much easier than in PR, with Italy a shining example of what does not work
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PR is much more likely to end up with a hung Parliament with loads more elections. Our politicians have shown how devious they can be when a government doesn't hold a balance of power
 
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