OK WHAT WILL THE GENERAL ELECTION RESULT BE?

[Deleted member 16999]

In terms of the SNP, have they though? 55% of the Scottish electorate voted against the only party standing on an independence ticket. Now it is not as simple as that. People vote for the SNP at general elections for reasons other than independence, you will get Conservative voters who will vote for independence, but in simple terms the actual split was 45% - 55% against the SNP. That is not a mandate for Indy2.

Me, I don't care if they get independence or not but do those 55% not get a say? The same 55% who voted no last time and were told, in a very divisive vote, that it would be a once in a generation vote? Who speaks for the majority?

These were also the same people that were told to vote to stay in the Union by Cameron as we wouldn’t be leaving the EU.
The SNP were not only standing on an independence ticket, they were also voting against tory and Labour policies.
The other issue (not a personal comment) as you mention you don’t care, lot of English don’t, so their struggle and argument is brushed under the carpet.

 

[funkycoldmedina]

I very much doubt it.
How would you react to being called a Northern Monkey or a Southern Shandy Drinker???
We've even been known to call each other tosspots before now.
Not your cup of Darjeeling I would have thought.

You are truly the king of bantz smiffy.
Cushty

 

[Lord Tyrion]

These were also the same people that were told to vote to stay in the Union by Cameron as we wouldn’t be leaving the EU.
The SNP were not only standing on an independence ticket, they were also voting against tory and Labour policies.
The other issue (not a personal comment) as you mention you don’t care, lot of English don’t, so their struggle and argument is brushed under the carpet.

I added the 'don't care' comment purely so that any of our Scottish friends did not think I was anti-independence. Bad wording, I should have said ambivalent. I have no feelings either way on this.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Just on my own constituency of South West Surrey.

As expected Jeremy Hunt won - but with his majority reduced from 21,600 to 8,800. So hopefully he got the message from his constituents. His constituents voted Remain and do not trust Johnson - and so 23,500 LibDem voters (and at least some of 4,750 Labour voters) expect him to do his utmost to influence Johnson and his Cabinet on the nature of the Trade Deal...and try and reduce the risk of us leaving without a deal agreed.

 

[ger147]

In terms of the SNP, have they though? 55% of the Scottish electorate voted against the only party standing on an independence ticket. Now it is not as simple as that. People vote for the SNP at general elections for reasons other than independence, you will get Conservative voters who will vote for independence, but in simple terms the actual split was 45% - 55% against the SNP. That is not a mandate for Indy2.

Me, I don't care if they get independence or not but do those 55% not get a say? The same 55% who voted no last time and were told, in a very divisive vote, that it would be a once in a generation vote? Who speaks for the majority?

The Green party in Scotland are also pro-independence. It is the Greens who facilitate the current minority SNP Scottish Government in Holyrood via a confidence and supply arrangement.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Well, at least the traditional labour voters saw through Corbyn and McDonnell and saved the country with their courage. I hope they are rewarded for doing so

Or the “traditional” labour voters in the heartlands have voted for a party that said they will deliver Brexit which they believe will bring back industry to that area - let’s hope it does for their sake

Does that mean we can finally put to bed any more calls for a second referendum?

There will always be calls for it unfortunatly and even more so if it turns out to be a complete mess

 

[Cherry13]

I think what’s been overlooked by Nigel and his cronies, is the willingness of the electorate to hold their noses to get Brexit done, and this may have cost them (Cons) even more seats in the NE. There’s a good few seats where the BP vote total is more than the labour majority. I know can’t assume all BP would have voted Tory, but it’s safe to assume Wansbeck for instance, would have comfortably went blue.

 

[Deleted member 21784]

Have to say well done to the Tories they worked the election well and focused on the issue that's bugging everyone.. brexit

Labour semi supported remain.. and pushed onto the NHS as the issue which yes is a big one but the nation is so angry about brexit

So much so that labour heartlands turned to the dreaded enemy..

I hope they keep to there promises and don't really screw over their new areas ..

That however was a proper election .. none of this rubbish that came out with Brexit .. focused on proper campaigning

Hopefully not going to see one for another 5 years tho!!!!

 

[Beezerk]

Or the “traditional” labour voters in the heartlands have voted for a party that said they will deliver Brexit which they believe will bring back industry to that area - let’s hope it does for their sake

I'm not really sure where you got this notion from, I'd reckon the amount of people who voted for brexit in this way are very very few indeed.
But still it keeps in with your anti Tory, pro Labour at all costs stance.

 

[clubchamp98]

I think Boris is going to have Sturgeon yapping at his ankle like a small dog with a Alsatian.
Sooner or later the big dog will snap.

He can put a stop to it by giving her what she wants ,but will he?.

 

[drdel]

I think Boris is going to have Sturgeon yapping at his ankle like a small dog with a Alsatian.
Sooner or later the big dog will snap.

He can put a stop to it by giving her what she wants ,but will he?.

Its noise Scotland voted to stay in UK. They complain that Westminster ignores Scotland ... 1.3m Scottish voters made 48 MPs, 3.5m LDs got 11 !!

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Brexit would have gained seats at the loss of the bigger parties been the big winners.
Not necessarily the winning parties

In terms of the SNP, have they though? 55% of the Scottish electorate voted against the only party standing on an independence ticket. Now it is not as simple as that. People vote for the SNP at general elections for reasons other than independence, you will get Conservative voters who will vote for independence, but in simple terms the actual split was 45% - 55% against the SNP. That is not a mandate for Indy2.

Me, I don't care if they get independence or not but do those 55% not get a say? The same 55% who voted no last time and were told, in a very divisive vote, that it would be a once in a generation vote? Who speaks for the majority?

Fair point but sadly 16/17 year olds and EU nationals did not get to vote in this election.
Both groups are strongly pro Independence.

 

[GB72]

Amazing how wrong you can be. I was totally wrong, I had read the mood of the nation to be swinging towards no brexit and staying in the EU. I was totally wrong. This was, in effect, a one issue election and the one party offering a guaranteed brexit as quick as possible get a landslide. I will put my hands up, no need for referendum 2 (basically just had it), no need to hang around, lets just get it done now. This comes from a staunch remain voter who had expected gains for labour and the lib dems based on anti, or semi anti, brexit stances. Cannot argue with democracy.

 

[chrisd]

Amazing how wrong you can be. I was totally wrong, I had read the mood of the nation to be swinging towards no brexit and staying in the EU. I was totally wrong. This was, in effect, a one issue election and the one party offering a guaranteed brexit as quick as possible get a landslide. I will put my hands up, no need for referendum 2 (basically just had it), no need to hang around, lets just get it done now. This comes from a staunch remain voter who had expected gains for labour and the lib dems based on anti, or semi anti, brexit stances. Cannot argue with democracy.

Come of it, what's your game? No one on here admits they got it wrong ??

 

[clubchamp98]

Its noise Scotland voted to stay in UK. They complain that Westminster ignores Scotland ... 1.3m Scottish voters made 48 MPs, 3.5m LDs got 11 !!

Yes I get that but by giving her a ref it will shut her up for good.
If Scots vote to stay in UK great .
If not just let them get on with it.
Either way it will shut Sturgeon up.
I can’t belive how much tv time she got in England

 

[chrisd]

I think Boris is going to have Sturgeon yapping at his ankle like a small dog with a Alsatian.
Sooner or later the big dog will snap.

He can put a stop to it by giving her what she wants ,but will he?.

I reckon he'll have her neutered..... that'll keep her quiet for a little while ??

 

[clubchamp98]

I reckon he'll have her neutered..... that'll keep her quiet for a little while ??

Is that allowed with political opponents,? Think Trump.

 

[GB72]

Yes I get that but by giving her a ref it will shut her up for good.
If Scots vote to stay in UK great .
If not just let them get on with it.
Either way it will shut Sturgeon up.

Always wondered about this when you have parties with one major policy. Farage had the brexit party. Once brexit was voted for, nobody had any real interest in what they had to say. Would the same be true of the SNP. If Scotland gained independence, would they then just fade away in favour of other parties? Maybe the longevity of Sturgeon's political career is dependent on actually losing independence referendums. Not sure how she is viewed as a politician outside of that one issue.

 

[GB72]

Come of it, what's your game? No one on here admits they got it wrong ??

Sometimes you have to. Last night was a real shock compared to the direction that I thought the country was going. Part of me thinks that the night would have been even worse for Labour of Corbyn had come out as anti brexit. Part of me also thinks that he knew that.

 

[clubchamp98]

Amazing how wrong you can be. I was totally wrong, I had read the mood of the nation to be swinging towards no brexit and staying in the EU. I was totally wrong. This was, in effect, a one issue election and the one party offering a guaranteed brexit as quick as possible get a landslide. I will put my hands up, no need for referendum 2 (basically just had it), no need to hang around, lets just get it done now. This comes from a staunch remain voter who had expected gains for labour and the lib dems based on anti, or semi anti, brexit stances. Cannot argue with democracy.

Probably a lot of people thinking like you today .
This “ we didn’t know what we were voting for” has been busted.
The big risk is can Boris deliver.?

I think it’s going to be hard for a few years but we will come good.