Jamesbrown
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In a two party race where both have clear standings, You could have that argument.
But it isn’t, and you can’t.
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In a two party race where both have clear standings, You could have that argument.
But it isn’t, and you can’t.
Hacker Khan
Yurt Dwelling, Yoghurt Knitter
Well that was a &^%show. Even the tension of watching the results come in during the night is ruined as the exit polls at 10 pm spoil it all now.
I must congratulate the Tory party on getting a significant majority. To me it is clear that in the west we are mostly sliding into an era of populist right wing politics and the tories capitalized on that brilliantly, so fair play. And the left and centralists have been left behind a bit by this. I fully expect Trump to get an increased majority in the US for much the same reason if Bernie is the best alternative the democrats offer.
Reasons for Labours bad result are I expect numerous depending on where you are in the country, but again I can not see them making any progress if they follow the current momentum led far left approach. I still think a decent amount of their policies make a lot of sense, but in their current incarnation they will not make any head way with them.
As for the Tory government then whilst Boris is making some consolatory noises in his speeches this morning about governing for all, I have severe doubts. Many Tory voters have said he is not a great leader and has many faults, but we seem to be in a 'who is the least worst', and the country clearly thought it was him. We are following the US path where what was previously thought of as toxic behavior (remember when we lost out minds as Milliband could not eat a bacon sandwich and that was a big deal) is either ignored or refuted by lies in mainstream and social media. The use and manipulation though social media is an especially depressing thing to me as once we get major parties deliberately misleading, even if they claim it is not 100% a lie, then I think we are in a very dark place.
One part of me hopes the Tories may realise they have been lent many votes in the midlands and north by ex labour voters so they will try their hardest to keep them by trying to energise those parts of the country instead of leaving them to slide even more into a minimum wage zero hours contract Sports Direct based economy. Yes they will get a bit of a bounce from Brexit in those areas, but once we are out and that does not bring all the benefits many in these areas thought it would then what next? A Tory party with a significant majority who has been in power for over a decade and is out of the EU will be running out of others to blame.
Also looking at the results I think in 4 years we have gone from Great Britain to Little England and surely Scottish independence and even Irish independence may well be a key battle ground, once Brexit has died down. But whatever happens I think we will continue to become a more divided society between the haves and have nots and that is not great.
I must congratulate the Tory party on getting a significant majority. To me it is clear that in the west we are mostly sliding into an era of populist right wing politics and the tories capitalized on that brilliantly, so fair play. And the left and centralists have been left behind a bit by this. I fully expect Trump to get an increased majority in the US for much the same reason if Bernie is the best alternative the democrats offer.
Reasons for Labours bad result are I expect numerous depending on where you are in the country, but again I can not see them making any progress if they follow the current momentum led far left approach. I still think a decent amount of their policies make a lot of sense, but in their current incarnation they will not make any head way with them.
As for the Tory government then whilst Boris is making some consolatory noises in his speeches this morning about governing for all, I have severe doubts. Many Tory voters have said he is not a great leader and has many faults, but we seem to be in a 'who is the least worst', and the country clearly thought it was him. We are following the US path where what was previously thought of as toxic behavior (remember when we lost out minds as Milliband could not eat a bacon sandwich and that was a big deal) is either ignored or refuted by lies in mainstream and social media. The use and manipulation though social media is an especially depressing thing to me as once we get major parties deliberately misleading, even if they claim it is not 100% a lie, then I think we are in a very dark place.
One part of me hopes the Tories may realise they have been lent many votes in the midlands and north by ex labour voters so they will try their hardest to keep them by trying to energise those parts of the country instead of leaving them to slide even more into a minimum wage zero hours contract Sports Direct based economy. Yes they will get a bit of a bounce from Brexit in those areas, but once we are out and that does not bring all the benefits many in these areas thought it would then what next? A Tory party with a significant majority who has been in power for over a decade and is out of the EU will be running out of others to blame.
Also looking at the results I think in 4 years we have gone from Great Britain to Little England and surely Scottish independence and even Irish independence may well be a key battle ground, once Brexit has died down. But whatever happens I think we will continue to become a more divided society between the haves and have nots and that is not great.
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Doon frae Troon
Ryder Cup Winner
NI nearly going over to the Nationalists seems to have slipped under the radar.
Great quote from one of the Irish pundits.........….we were worried about the Irish Nationalists when all along it was the English Nationalists we should have been afraid of.
Great quote from one of the Irish pundits.........….we were worried about the Irish Nationalists when all along it was the English Nationalists we should have been afraid of.
Piece
Tour Winner
Or being deliberately controversial, those that wish to stop Brexit and see Tory policies as right wing and class dividing, are in fact the primary cause of this nation’s current division.
Mudball
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PNWokingham
Journeyman Pro
how Corbyn and his pack have not already resigned is beyond me. If Corbyn had any decency he would have resigned first thing this morning. I am not sure if or how they can get rid of the Momentum Maxists but it is essential if a real challenge party can emerge
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"Hello Chukka? I've got Strictly Come Dancing on Ice on Line 2 for you."
Wolf
Well-known member
Well Swinson loses her seat and her leadership in one night. Firmly believe had they not been so hardline with stopping Brexit they really would have been the best placed party to derail the Tories. Slight rebuild there with that policy and think they can start to make a comeback.
Not impressed with Corbyn speech refusal to accept any failing on his part and the areas within his manifesto that even his own party were tearing into last night. Thats a much bigger rebuild job imo than the other parties.
Now we wait and see what Boris's brigade will do with Brexit and what mess that may or may not cause.
One bonus in all this was the hope the plebs on my social media might pipe down a but now.. Sadly not though they're already calling it a fix and the end of Britain ?
Not impressed with Corbyn speech refusal to accept any failing on his part and the areas within his manifesto that even his own party were tearing into last night. Thats a much bigger rebuild job imo than the other parties.
Now we wait and see what Boris's brigade will do with Brexit and what mess that may or may not cause.
One bonus in all this was the hope the plebs on my social media might pipe down a but now.. Sadly not though they're already calling it a fix and the end of Britain ?
Piece
Tour Winner
“We‘ve got Swinson lined up. Working on McDonnell as I speak...”
Wolf
Well-known member
Can you make sure you set McDonnell up with a partner with 2 left feet
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I wonder what would happen if when they go to vote for the New during the next session of Parliament it’s not voted through because some Tory MP’s still vote against it ?
Some interesting stats which pop the balloons a little for the big winners from the election. It has always been this way, no matter who wins, but no harm in reminding yourselves
Conservative share of the vote, 44%. 56% of the country don't want them but they have a thumping majoirty
SNP share of the Scottish vote, 45%. 55% of Scotland do not want them or their policies but like the Conservatives they also claim a huge mandate for their policies.
First past the post as a system
Conservative share of the vote, 44%. 56% of the country don't want them but they have a thumping majoirty
SNP share of the Scottish vote, 45%. 55% of Scotland do not want them or their policies but like the Conservatives they also claim a huge mandate for their policies.
First past the post as a system
spongebob59
Journeyman Pro
Watch the torys push through a boundary reform in this next term.
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I don’t have an issue with it, we knew how it worked before we voted, it’s our democracy, if people are unhappy with it they can get involved or sit and wait until next time they get a say.Some interesting stats which pop the balloons a little for the big winners from the election. It has always been this way, no matter who wins, but no harm in reminding yourselves
Conservative share of the vote, 44%. 56% of the country don't want them but they have a thumping majoirty
SNP share of the Scottish vote, 45%. 55% of Scotland do not want them or their policies but like the Conservatives they also claim a huge mandate for their policies.
First past the post as a system
The result in any GE has to be accepted whether people agree or are unhappy with it.
Wolf
Well-known member
Just been talking about this with Mrs Wolf, she's got really into politics last couple of months with her potential job changes. I'm an avid believer that first past the post system needs scrapping completely in favour of a proportional representation system. Maybe next time its brought up in Parliament more will get behind it because something needs to change to truly reflect the votes cast, rather than reliance on other parties doing badly to get others in power.Some interesting stats which pop the balloons a little for the big winners from the election. It has always been this way, no matter who wins, but no harm in reminding yourselves
Conservative share of the vote, 44%. 56% of the country don't want them but they have a thumping majoirty
SNP share of the Scottish vote, 45%. 55% of Scotland do not want them or their policies but like the Conservatives they also claim a huge mandate for their policies.
First past the post as a system
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chrisd
Major Champion
For the 2 party system currently it'd be asking turkeys to vote for Christmas. In theory it would be fairer but they'll never go for it
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With that majority it's a real risk and worry for sure
SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
<shrugs>
Well that is that then. The country has got the Prime Minister it wants (or it doesn't have the Prime Minister it doesn't want - let's see which it is) - whatever - so be it.
The one and only flicker of a silver lining to the cloud is simply that Johnson now has a big enough majority to get done anything and everything he wants to get done. He has nothing to hide behind. We will see over the coming months and years whether or not he is wearing any clothes.
My biggest fear now for the country - but one that I have to hand over to the one who helps me maintain my sanity - is that when things don't go so well Johnson will simply lie to his voters, and throw under a bus those he feels he can to deflect form his own limitations and failings - and so many of his 2019 vote may be so desperate to believe him - as they believe in him today - that they will accept what he says as the truth - their truth.
Just look to Trump and reassure me that that will not happen here
Anyway - as I say - I will just have to hand this fear over.
Well that is that then. The country has got the Prime Minister it wants (or it doesn't have the Prime Minister it doesn't want - let's see which it is) - whatever - so be it.
The one and only flicker of a silver lining to the cloud is simply that Johnson now has a big enough majority to get done anything and everything he wants to get done. He has nothing to hide behind. We will see over the coming months and years whether or not he is wearing any clothes.
My biggest fear now for the country - but one that I have to hand over to the one who helps me maintain my sanity - is that when things don't go so well Johnson will simply lie to his voters, and throw under a bus those he feels he can to deflect form his own limitations and failings - and so many of his 2019 vote may be so desperate to believe him - as they believe in him today - that they will accept what he says as the truth - their truth.
Just look to Trump and reassure me that that will not happen here
Anyway - as I say - I will just have to hand this fear over.
Wolf
Well-known member
Totally agree Chris and thats why whenever its been put forward the main parties they've voted against it.
chrisd
Major Champion
Well, at least the traditional labour voters saw through Corbyn and McDonnell and saved the country with their courage. I hope they are rewarded for doing so
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