OK WHAT WILL THE GENERAL ELECTION RESULT BE?

[fundy]

Brexit would have gained seats at the loss of the bigger parties been the big winners.
Not necessarily the winning parties


Fair point but sadly 16/17 year olds and EU nationals did not get to vote in this election.
Both groups are strongly pro Independence.

when did those 2 groups have their rights to vote taken away?

 

[SocketRocket]

Well that was a &^%show. Even the tension of watching the results come in during the night is ruined as the exit polls at 10 pm spoil it all now.

I must congratulate the Tory party on getting a significant majority. To me it is clear that in the west we are mostly sliding into an era of populist right wing politics and the tories capitalized on that brilliantly, so fair play. And the left and centralists have been left behind a bit by this. I fully expect Trump to get an increased majority in the US for much the same reason if Bernie is the best alternative the democrats offer.

Reasons for Labours bad result are I expect numerous depending on where you are in the country, but again I can not see them making any progress if they follow the current momentum led far left approach. I still think a decent amount of their policies make a lot of sense, but in their current incarnation they will not make any head way with them.

As for the Tory government then whilst Boris is making some consolatory noises in his speeches this morning about governing for all, I have severe doubts. Many Tory voters have said he is not a great leader and has many faults, but we seem to be in a 'who is the least worst', and the country clearly thought it was him. We are following the US path where what was previously thought of as toxic behavior (remember when we lost out minds as Milliband could not eat a bacon sandwich and that was a big deal) is either ignored or refuted by lies in mainstream and social media. The use and manipulation though social media is an especially depressing thing to me as once we get major parties deliberately misleading, even if they claim it is not 100% a lie, then I think we are in a very dark place.

One part of me hopes the Tories may realise they have been lent many votes in the midlands and north by ex labour voters so they will try their hardest to keep them by trying to energise those parts of the country instead of leaving them to slide even more into a minimum wage zero hours contract Sports Direct based economy. Yes they will get a bit of a bounce from Brexit in those areas, but once we are out and that does not bring all the benefits many in these areas thought it would then what next? A Tory party with a significant majority who has been in power for over a decade and is out of the EU will be running out of others to blame.

Also looking at the results I think in 4 years we have gone from Great Britain to Little England and surely Scottish independence and even Irish independence may well be a key battle ground, once Brexit has died down. But whatever happens I think we will continue to become a more divided society between the haves and have nots and that is not great.

More like a divided society between those that win a vote and those that think they were entitled to. Its a sad reflection of the way many in society cannot stomach their view not prevailing and screaming until they're sick how unfair it is.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I'm not really sure where you got this notion from, I'd reckon the amount of people who voted for brexit in this way are very very few indeed.
But still it keeps in with your anti Tory, pro Labour at all costs stance.

Maybe you should watch the news a bit more and listen to some of the voters they interviewed on why they went with Tory - especially in seats where it has been Labour since day 1. Unless you can tell us all why these areas moved to Tories despite the historic issues ?

I’m not sure when I become “pro Labour” as they certainly didn’t get my vote and havent for years - but don’t let that get in the way of your nonsense

 

[Swinglowandslow]

I think Boris is going to have Sturgeon yapping at his ankle like a small dog with a Alsatian.
Sooner or later the big dog will snap.

He can put a stop to it by giving her what she wants ,but will he?.

Don't think so. Why would he be the PM to go down in history as the one who broke up the Union when he didn't have to. .?
Then there is the question of the naval base which the UK has in Scotland?
IIRC the SNP want that to go if they get independence. And then there are the airforce bases etc. The Scottish region ( it is not a country,) is an important part of the UK defence etc. And that includes the defence of Scotland.
So, no, I don't see Boris offering to give it away. She can bleat as much as she likes, but she has no clout now. Her MPs have now no clout. She can only achieve whatever she is offered.
Which will be little.

 

[spongebob59]

Labours found it new dalek

https://twitter.com/x/status/1205473280922210305

 

[spongebob59]

Looks like I'll be avoiding Dover tomorrow :

URGENT CALL OUT FOR ACTIVISTS!!!!!!
Who is available and willing to be in Dover tomorrow afternoon for an emergency road block demo against the election result? I will put the date back if I have to but really needs to be asap. It will be a cross organisation platform to voice outrage from all angles; Save the NHS, Climate groups, Anti racism etc and locals disgusted by the Mr and Mrs Elphike fiasco.

Really need support for this guys!!!

 

[SaintHacker]

53% voted for parties who oppose Brexit. So we can stay now? #democracy

Or you could argue that the one party who came straight out and said they would stop brexit lost seats...

 

[Foxholer]

Well that was a &^%show. Even the tension of watching the results come in during the night is ruined as the exit polls at 10 pm spoil it all now.

I must congratulate the Tory party on getting a significant majority. To me it is clear that in the west we are mostly sliding into an era of populist right wing politics and the tories capitalized on that brilliantly, so fair play. And the left and centralists have been left behind a bit by this. I fully expect Trump to get an increased majority in the US for much the same reason if Bernie is the best alternative the democrats offer.
...

While I agree with some of your sentiment, I believe this result was created purely from voter demand to 'get Brexit done'! The loss of seats in Labour heartland might be considered a victory for Tories, but that area was (somewhat surprisingly to me, but 'explained' in fairly racist terms by a co-worker) deeply pro Brexit!

BTW. I fear your prediction of a Trump victory is likely too, simply because US 'likes a leafer' and Trump is emphatically that - if 'corrupt'! The Democrats (hardly what I would consider 'left-wingers'!) simply haven't got a candidate with the personality to defeat Trump - imo, of course!

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Probably a lot of people thinking like you today .
This “ we didn’t know what we were voting for” has been busted.
The big risk is can Boris deliver.?

I think it’s going to be hard for a few years but we will come good.

Yes - we all - every one of us - knows now that the UK will leave the EU on 31st January.

But please.

Brexit is not Done, as phase 2 of Brexit is negotiating the trade agreement. Maybe that doesn't matter. We'll see.

But to suggest that the GE result somehow indicates that voters all know and knew what Brexit means is really a bit of bunkum. Because without the Trade Deal agreed, absolutely no-one knows what Brexit will actually mean for the future - and clearly then, absolutely nobody knew what Brexit meant when we voted back then, or indeed yesterday.

What's in the framework agreement can be changed during the Trade Deal discussions. Yes - we are 100% leaving, but let's not pretend we know what we know the basis upon which we move forward. Some of it we know - much of it we don't or could change in the next year.

And I am afraid that you seem to rather glibly state there will be a few hard years...Easily said - I suggest that few on here will be seriously impacted to their personal detriment. So who is it going to be hard for...

Anyway...I didn't vote for any of this - my conscience is clear if it goes wrong. I sincerely hope it all turns out great. Not a great day...

 

[clubchamp98]

Yes - we all - every one of us - knows now that the UK will leave the EU on 31st January.

But please.

Brexit is not Done, as phase 2 of Brexit is negotiating the trade agreement. Maybe that doesn't matter. We'll see.

But to suggest that the GE result somehow indicates that voters all know and knew what Brexit means is really a bit of bunkum. Because without the Trade Deal agreed, absolutely no-one knows what Brexit will actually mean for the future - and clearly then, absolutely nobody knew what Brexit meant when we voted back then, or indeed yesterday.

What's in the framework agreement can be changed during the Trade Deal discussions. Yes - we are 100% leaving, but let's not pretend we know what we know the basis upon which we move forward. Some of it we know - much of it we don't or could change in the next year.

And I am afraid that you seem to rather glibly state there will be a few hard years...Easily said - I suggest that few on here will be seriously impacted to their personal detriment. So who is it going to be hard for...

Anyway...I didn't vote for any of this - my conscience is clear if it goes wrong. I sincerely hope it all turns out great. Not a great day...

Almost everything in life can’t be predicted !
So the alternative is the Status Quo .
Europe was not working for a lot of people and they have done something about it.

 

[clubchamp98]

Or you could argue that the one party who came straight out and said they would stop brexit lost seats...

And their leader.

 

[chrisd]

Anyway...I didn't vote for any of this - my conscience is clear if it goes wrong. I sincerely hope it all turns out great. Not a great day...

Anyway, I'm sure we're all glad you've got a cop out if Brexit/Conservative Government goes wrong. Maybe you'd be good enough to wait to full 5 years and just sum up your views ready for the next election

 

[Hobbit]

Yes - we all - every one of us - knows now that the UK will leave the EU on 31st January.

But please.

Brexit is not Done, as phase 2 of Brexit is negotiating the trade agreement. Maybe that doesn't matter. We'll see.

But to suggest that the GE result somehow indicates that voters all know and knew what Brexit means is really a bit of bunkum. Because without the Trade Deal agreed, absolutely no-one knows what Brexit will actually mean for the future - and clearly then, absolutely nobody knew what Brexit meant when we voted back then, or indeed yesterday.

What's in the framework agreement can be changed during the Trade Deal discussions. Yes - we are 100% leaving, but let's not pretend we know what we know the basis upon which we move forward. Some of it we know - much of it we don't or could change in the next year.

And I am afraid that you seem to rather glibly state there will be a few hard years...Easily said - I suggest that few on here will be seriously impacted to their personal detriment. So who is it going to be hard for...

Anyway...I didn't vote for any of this - my conscience is clear if it goes wrong. I sincerely hope it all turns out great. Not a great day...

I think you're making an excuse to satisfy your sense of denial. Everyone knows that the next stage of Brexit is the trade deal, and everyone knows it isn't done yet. They knew that when they voted yesterday.

They don't know if the deal will impact on them, just as they didn't know what a raft of Labour nationalisations would look like, or cost. But they voted for what they wanted. Some will have known lots of things about party policies and some will have voted by the colour of the rosette. They're choice, and they knew what they wanted when they made it.

Perhaps you need to find a greater level of acceptance that acknowledges people knew what they wanted, even if not all of it was visible. Isn't it called a leap of faith and a sign of courage?

 

[Old Skier]

Yes - we all - every one of us - knows now that the UK will leave the EU on 31st January.

But please.

Brexit is not Done, as phase 2 of Brexit is negotiating the trade agreement. Maybe that doesn't matter. We'll see.

But to suggest that the GE result somehow indicates that voters all know and knew what Brexit means is really a bit of bunkum. Because without the Trade Deal agreed, absolutely no-one knows what Brexit will actually mean for the future - and clearly then, absolutely nobody knew what Brexit meant when we voted back then, or indeed yesterday.

What's in the framework agreement can be changed during the Trade Deal discussions. Yes - we are 100% leaving, but let's not pretend we know what we know the basis upon which we move forward. Some of it we know - much of it we don't or could change in the next year.

And I am afraid that you seem to rather glibly state there will be a few hard years...Easily said - I suggest that few on here will be seriously impacted to their personal detriment. So who is it going to be hard for...

Anyway...I didn't vote for any of this - my conscience is clear if it goes wrong. I sincerely hope it all turns out great. Not a great day...

Glass half empty then. Your a real bundle of gloom and doom

 

[2blue]

More like a divided society between those that win a vote and those that think they were entitled to. Its a sad reflection of the way many in society cannot stomach their view not prevailing and screaming until they're sick how unfair it is.

Well at least we got your label right.

 

[MegaSteve]

Well, at least the traditional labour voters saw through Corbyn and McDonnell and saved the country with their courage. I hope they are rewarded for doing so

Boris has noted the votes are merely on loan to team tory... Here's hoping they don't get shafted too deeply or frequently as a thank you...

 

[chrisd]

Boris has noted the votes are merely on loan to team tory... Here's hoping they don't get shafted too deeply or frequently as a thank you...

I hope not too

 

[2blue]

Boris has noted the votes are merely on loan to team tory... Here's hoping they don't get shafted too deeply or frequently as a thank you...

You mean like the DUP??........ one can't help feel there's a time-bomb waiting..... based on our Government's past simplistic solutions to things.

 

[Imurg]

Tories are absolute scum bags, can not understand why people have voted to screw over the NHS and vulnerable people in society.

Brexit which no one was even questioning until that moron Cameron brought up is apparently the more important than funding of services which would help greatly improve society.

Too many people gobbling down utter rubbish by media owned millionaire newspapers.

Guess you didn't vote for them then...

 

[drdel]

Tories are absolute scum bags, can not understand why people have voted to screw over the NHS and vulnerable people in society.

Brexit which no one was even questioning until that moron Cameron brought up is apparently the more important than funding of services which would help greatly improve society.

Too many people gobbling down utter rubbish by media owned millionaire newspapers.

Wrong - the debate has been going for decades: heightened by EU's integration intentions and their out-of-control spending. Spending needs matching to income!