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[Deleted member 30522]

He agreed with your post.

I didn't agree with his response, it is incorrect. Low but not scrratch golfers certainly did win before in just marginally higher proportion than pro-rata.

 

[Deleted member 30522]

Nope, just highlighting 1 part of it that goes against what BB stated.

Again, you're the one misrepresenting as Ian says, 54 limit was in force under UHS, it's not a new WHS feature

 

[wjemather]

To those that believe the few on here, who are trying to articulate the issues they have experienced with WHS, are somehow in a minority how would you explain the existence of these articles? And there are more...

The World Handicap System Continues to Cause Controversy

After writing about his experiences of returning to the game and gaining a golf handicap, Golfshake's Derek Clements received a wide variety of comments and responses from keen golfers about the World Handicap System. He now shares those and reacts to what was said.

www.golfshake.com

The World Handicap System Continues to Divide Golfers

The World Handicap System was introduced in Britain amid much fanfare more than two years ago. It was supposed to end the debate once and for all. But many of you still have serious issues with it. In our recent annual Golfshake Survey it once again turned out to be a thorny subject for you.

www.golfshake.com

Why The World Handicap System Has Ruined Golf For Low Handicappers

Single figure golfer Carly Frost says the World Handicap System has caused a sensational and unpopular shake-up of handicaps

www.golfmonthly.com

It's time to have your say on the World Handicap System - GCMA

Clubs and golfers are being urged by the R&A and USGA to give their opinions in a new World Handicap System survey

www.gcma.org.uk

The World Handicap System has left club competitions in a mess – and only YOU can fix it

The cure for our WHS issues may be worse than the disease. But, asks Steve Carroll, are we prepared to completely change the way we think about the game?

www.nationalclubgolfer.com

I'd guess these are just random links from a google search, and you just assumed they support your cause without even bothering open the articles behind the (click-bait) headlines?

Seriously though, one of them is from 2017, years before WHS was launched, and is generally supportive. (edit: comment struck-out as link corrected to intended target prior to posting this reply, per #1,173)
Another is just publicising the recent survey.
Two are a collections of (generally uninformed) comments, both pro and anti, with no evidence to support anything and devoid of fact-checking, analysis or conclusion.
One is a rant by a low handicapper who was being less than honest about their own golf during the year.

If you are going to direct us to articles on the subject, please read them first - and be honest about what they contain.

 

[Deleted member 30522]

And?

What’s the answer?

Take the real world example of a young lad at my club won 4 comps in a row and came 2nd in the 5th earlier this year. The first was a monthly stableford at the beginning of the year off a playing handicap of 48.

At the start of the year his index was in the 50s it’s now mid teens and he’s won a few comps on the way down. He’s over 50 scores in his record this year. If he was only allowed to put in comp scores there is a good chance he would have won a hell of a lot more. Looking at his GP rounds from earlier in the year there are a couple that would have been 50 stableford points even with a couple of blobs.

I did the same when I started. Was off 28 for a few weeks before winning a monthly medal and down to 24. The first year I won loads of comps and 4BBB opens as the handicap system couldn’t catch up with my rate of improvement. I won a lot, and I was called all sorts of names by older members. Now, if I had been encouraged and able to put in GP scores at any time, I would not have won anywhere near as much as my handicap would have come down much quicker.

So it happened back then.

What mechanism would you put in place to compensate for these situations?

Handicaps came down quicker under UHS, now a big round is diluted x8, whereas conversly it's very easy to go up quickly.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Click bait in some cases.

One is just informing that there is a survey. Others the usual complaining from people who can’t grasp the change or don’t understand the system.

It’s time we stopped moaning about WHS

Do any of those articles answer the questions you keep swerving?

There was moaning about Congu and UHS and there will prob be moaning about the next system

 

[Deleted member 30522]

I’m not sure they outweighed the amount that were nowhere near being off 28 and won nothing while being told to suck it up and get their handicap down.

...except, they could have been playing up to 54 handicap.

 

[Deleted member 36483]

Click bait in some cases.

One is just informing that there is a survey. Others the usual complaining from people who can’t grasp the change or don’t understand the system.

It’s time we stopped moaning about WHS

Do any of those articles answer the questions you keep swerving?

I think Carly Frost, just to single out one, knows the system and grasps the change pretty well. She makes her point very well in the Golf Monthly article.

Surely the survey wouldn't have been necessary if enough golfers shared your view on WHS?

I think the question you want answering is to do with introducing players who are new to the game into your club? That will be done in different ways depending on the club and has little to do with WHS.

 

[Deleted member 36483]

I'd guess these are just random links from a google search, and you just assumed they support your cause without even bothering open the articles behind the (click-bait) headlines?

Seriously though, one of them is from 2017, years before WHS was launched, and is generally supportive.
Another is just publicising the recent survey.
Two are a collections of (generally uninformed) comments, both pro and anti, with no evidence to support anything and devoid of fact-checking, analysis or conclusion.
One is a rant by a low handicapper who was being less than honest about their own golf during the year.

If you are going to direct us to articles on the subject, please read them first - and be honest about what they contain.

I've read them all and none are from 2017.

 

[PaulMdj]

54 handicap limit has nothing to do with WHS. Good grief man, at least know what you're arguing about

you really do like to pick and choose your words! Show me the letters WHS in the post you’ve quoted!

 

[Deleted member 30522]

I've read them all and none are from 2017.

Oops, not another Boris moment?

 

[wjemather]

I've read them all and none are from 2017.

Your post originally linked to this article: https://www.nationalclubgolfer.com/whs/world-handicap-system/.

 

[Deleted member 30522]

you really do like to pick and choose your words! Show me the letters WHS in the post you’ve quoted!

Paul, you keep harping on that players were restricted to 28 before WHS, this is nonsense, UHS already allowed up to 54 handicaps

 

[Deleted member 36483]

Your post originally linked to this article: https://www.nationalclubgolfer.com/whs/world-handicap-system/.

Possibly. It didn't create the URLs properly but I fixed it straight away. Fair comment. You were too quick on the draw.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Your post originally linked to this article: https://www.nationalclubgolfer.com/whs/world-handicap-system/.

It says “article updated October 2023”

 

[PaulMdj]

Paul, you keep harping on that players were restricted to 28 before WHS, this is nonsense, UHS already allowed up to 54 handicaps

No it wasn’t CONGU advised in 2018 that Handicaps up to 54 were to be introduced, it wasn’t actually introduced as mandatory until the introduction of WHS in 2020, here’s an article explaining this.

What is Wrong With Golfers Having a 54 Handicap

Coming in November, the World Handicap System is destined to change the game as we know it, with one of the early main concerns being the increase of a maximum handicap to 54. But is this a problem? Golfshake's Derek Clements explains why he doesn't understand what the fuss is all about.

www.golfshake.com

 

[Deleted member 36483]

It says “article updated October 2023”

Even so I meant to use:

The World Handicap System has left club competitions in a mess – and only YOU can fix it

The cure for our WHS issues may be worse than the disease. But, asks Steve Carroll, are we prepared to completely change the way we think about the game?

www.nationalclubgolfer.com

 

[wjemather]

No it wasn’t CONGU advised in 2018 that Handicaps up to 54 were to be introduced, it wasn’t actually introduced as mandatory until the introduction of WHS in 2020, here’s an article explaining this.

What is Wrong With Golfers Having a 54 Handicap

Coming in November, the World Handicap System is destined to change the game as we know it, with one of the early main concerns being the increase of a maximum handicap to 54. But is this a problem? Golfshake's Derek Clements explains why he doesn't understand what the fuss is all about.

www.golfshake.com

54 handicaps were introduced in 2019 under CONGU UHS. They had previously been available as "club" or "disability" handicaps before that.

Clubs have always been permitted to place limits on their competitions and that remains the case. While clubs are strongly encouraged to provide the opportunity for competition golf to all using their full handicap allowance, there is no requirement for that to be in the same comps as lower handicaps or for any/all comps to be open to all without limits.

 

[PaulMdj]

And an article from 2019 explaining it again.

The World Handicap System All You Need to Know

Monumental changes are coming to golf in 2020, with the launch of the new World Handicap System, which aims to provide us all with a unified and more inclusive system for the first time. But what does that mean for you? Golfshake's Derek Clements takes a closer look at the system and explains.

www.golfshake.com

 

[Deleted member 36483]

Anyway, my point is that it's caused quite the controversy and having a go at some of us by suggesting we are in the minority is hard to justify.

 

[WorldHandicapSystem]

Your post originally linked to this article: https://www.nationalclubgolfer.com/whs/world-handicap-system/.

Yep, the link was changed.