No more Winter Rules.....

[Arthur Wedge]

Let’s hope this snide view of reporting rules breaches isn’t shared by many other club members, clubs or counties.

That’s a heck of a attempt to find some sort of relevance

 

[doublebogey7]

As both a club and county volunteer, I am both glad and disappointed by his rule change. From my own clubs point of view it gave us the ability to use MLR E3 on a one off basis if mud balls are expected at short notice (although we have never used it). From a county prospective I have, on my travels playing in the region of 30 diiferent courses both inside and out my county, found it extremly disapointing to find that many clubs have used this rule simply because some fairways have become a little hard and compacted. Such conditions are not unusual for a British Summer and do not make acceptable scoring not possible.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

As both a club and county volunteer, I am both glad and disappointed by his rule change. From my own clubs point of view it gave us the ability to use MLR E3 on a one off basis if mud balls are expected at short notice (although we have never used it). From a county prospective I have, on my travels playing in the region of 30 diiferent courses both inside and out my county, found it extremly disapointing to find that many clubs have used this rule simply because some fairways have become a little hard and compacted. Such conditions are not unusual for a British Summer and do not make acceptable scoring not possible.

That’s the biggest issue imo

It’s been in place for 6 months and being removed already

There will be many clubs that have put the LR in place when it’s been needed and then removed when not , and some clubs will have just kept them on

The first step should have been more information and education towards those or clubs about the ruling instead of just blanket removing the rule

We are now going to have issues where there is huge storms over night , the course needs the LR for the weekend but they won’t be able to put it because they need to ask permission and they can’t go that at 6:30 in the morning

 

[jim8flog]

One of the biggest problems I foresee this year is the 6" not being adhered to.

Where I play we have loads of areas where the area of burnt out grass exceeds 6" in any direction.

 

[Slab]

That’s the biggest issue imo

It’s been in place for 6 months and being removed already

There will be many clubs that have put the LR in place when it’s been needed and then removed when not , and some clubs will have just kept them on

The first step should have been more information and education towards those or clubs about the ruling instead of just blanket removing the rule

We are now going to have issues where there is huge storms over night , the course needs the LR for the weekend but they won’t be able to put it because they need to ask permission and they can’t go that at 6:30 in the morning

I've no dog in this but your last sentence is pretty key
Unless 'county ' is available for approx 12hrs a day 7 days a week, then aren't they unable to fulfil their remit as part of a timely and effective process?

 

[D-S]

I've no dog in this but your last sentence is pretty key
Unless 'county ' is available for approx 12hrs a day 7 days a week, then aren't they unable to fulfil their remit as part of a timely and effective process?

It has worked well over the previous umpteen years so I don’t think it is going to be an issue reverting to the former way of working going forward. The reason for th change was not down to 24 hour availability not being in place. In all the time that I have been involved it has never cropped up as a problem.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

It has worked well over the previous umpteen years so I don’t think it is going to be an issue reverting to the former way of working going forward. The reason for th change was not down to 24 hour availability not being in place. In all the time that I have been involved it has never cropped up as a problem.

So how will it work for the example given

With the rulings change the course manager or greenkeeper etc was able to apply the LR on a Saturday morning after a heavy storm overnight - happened beginning of September as a perfect example

So now they won’t be able to able the LR at 6:30 in morning to ensure the course is fair

 

[rulefan]

So how will it work for the example given

With the rulings change the course manager or greenkeeper etc was able to apply the LR on a Saturday morning after a heavy storm overnight - happened beginning of September as a perfect example

So now they won’t be able to able the LR at 6:30 in morning to ensure the course is fair

How did clubs cope previously?

 

[Arthur Wedge]

How did clubs cope previously?

The rule wasn’t there previously

Clubs played comps and scored entered on courses not fit for qualification, some may have made their course Non Q as well to ensure scores wouldn’t be put in

EG put a rule in place to try and help encourage more people to put scores etc

 

[D-S]

The rule wasn’t there previously

Clubs played comps and scored entered on courses not fit for qualification, some may have made their course Non Q as well to ensure scores wouldn’t be put in

EG put a rule in place to try and help encourage more people to put scores etc

The rule was there previously, it has only been removed for a brief 6 month period in at least the last 20+ years.

This trial has not worked so we are merely reverting back to the previous well worn protocol. EG have tried to make more and more rounds acceptable for handicapvia introduction of the App, rating of shorter winter courses etc. but this was a step to far. I”m slightly surprised by the indignation of some.

 

[Slab]

It has worked well over the previous umpteen years so I don’t think it is going to be an issue reverting to the former way of working going forward. The reason for th change was not down to 24 hour availability not being in place. In all the time that I have been involved it has never cropped up as a problem.

I get it appeared to work but since change was not only considered but implemented, it indicates there was sufficient reason or justification for that change
Reverting to a past iteration does sound like a step backwards

 

[Arthur Wedge]

The rule was there previously, it has only been removed for a brief 6 month period in at least the last 20+ years.

This trial has not worked so we are merely reverting back to the previous well worn protocol. EG have tried to make more and more rounds acceptable for handicapvia introduction of the App, rating of shorter winter courses etc. but this was a step to far. I”m slightly surprised by the indignation of some.

Was it a trial ? Is that a new thing but I can’t recall it coming across as a trial ?

It was communicated as a way to encourage more cards to be submitted and ensure fair courses

And when it was introduced it seems universal that it was good idea and was well received, there wasn’t any suggestions of it being a step too far

Any time there are any weather issues outside April until October people just won’t bother putting in scores now when they know the course won’t be great

The rule change was a good idea , they have just taken a step backwards

 

[D-S]

Any time there are any weather issues outside April until October people just won’t bother putting in scores now when they know the course won’t be great

Why? What has changed “now” from October to April?

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Why? What has changed “now” from October to April?

I said April until October

 

[D-S]

I said April until October

You said “outside April until October”

 

[Arthur Wedge]

You said “outside April until October”

I meant from April until October the period when we need to ask permission

 

[D-S]

I meant from April until October the period when we need to ask permission

Actually it is 1st May until 30th September.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Actually it is 1st May until 30th September.

So when was the rule change that they brought in changed to just being a trial and when was that communicated to clubs

Also did the counties communicate to clubs on the correct method to using the LR and did they attempt to educate the clubs that counties believed weren’t implementing the rule correctly

 

[Robster59]

Yes got an email today telling us it’s PL until 1 st May.

Ours came through today. Prompted by the horrible weather we're currently having.

 

[D-S]

Also did the counties communicate to clubs on the correct method to using the LR and did they attempt to educate the clubs that counties believed weren’t implementing the rule correctly

No, of course not, far too busy being arrogant, self important and pompous and ignoring all requests and communications from members and clubs, whilst spending all the high undeserved wages.