freddielong
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Can they be separated, isn't that all she is.
Nicola Sturgeon
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Can they be separated, isn't that all she is.
She said this: “It would allow us to take control of our own destiny, to build our own prosperity on strong and stable foundations.â€
Sounds like a vote for Brexit
Build prosperity on a £9.5bn deficit that is only getting worse. It more than double what the ECB say is the target measure of a £3bn deficit.
Its absolutely an all smoke and mirrors exercise to blind the foolish, just that vote Brexit and get rid of immigrant. Dispicable sound bite politics.
DCB
Well-known member
When you send out your supporters to gain information and report back on the rest of the population that may or may not have the same views as them, it can only end one way.
I hope I'm wrong, but, I have a very uneasy feeling about this.
FairwayDodger
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Pretty sure none of my SNP supporting friends will be asking my opinion or feeding it back. Pointless exercise selecting only those already in favour. Political scheming and manipulation at its worst.
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User62651
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Can you embellish this post DCB? What's the fear? Any party can go and canvass and knock on doors any time they like I think. If someone Labour or Tory or LibDem answers the door to an SNP rep the canvasser will be told to get on his/her bike I expect, if they're already SNP they might have a blether, if they're a floater/undecided they're probably not that interested in politics and will be pleasant but then go back to what they were doing and not think too much more about it. I can't see this move by SNP getting them very far, they already have a mandate to call Indyref2 by numbers if the Greens continue to back them. They are somehow trying to gauge the mood on the street but people might just say one thing whilst intending to do another, not liking the intrusion.
My honest feeling is there isn't the appetite for Independence now, we're electioned out at present, rather than grow I suspect SNP have peaked and will only go backwards, all depends on how Brexit goes, if UK survives ok and Scotland gets it shipbuilding contracts etc then people will stick with the Union, if Brexit screws everything up very badly for Scots then they may well look to independence as a way back into EU, thing is that process will take years and years so rather than making soundbites about it now, I'd have thought it better for SNP to sit on this and see where it goes, there is too much uncertainty at the moment for Scots to create even more uncertainty by voting to split from UK. Out of EU and out of UK at the same time won't appeal to too many Scots no voters from 2014 whom SNP need to convince. Although EU out wasn't wanted by the majority, now its happened, Scots are nervous and anxious about the future, not that optimistic I believe and not confident to split from the UK. That's my thoughts, folks were far more optimistic 2 years ago before oil prices went south and Brexit.
DCB
Well-known member
There was a rather unsavoury undercurrent in the run up to the last referendum, which unfortunately has never fully gone away. This can only pick the top off the scabs from wounds that haven't healed yet and if there isn't an appetite for inependance yet again, then it will not end well.
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User62651
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Agree it ran pretty sour for quite a while and has thankfully settled (outside of Holyrood anyway) now, I knew lots of people voting both ways and no one fell out over it I know.
We've heard so much political BS on all sides and had so many electoral votes recently that I think there's no appetite for Indyref2, just need stability to deal with Brexit.
Now Sturgeons banging the drum on one side and Davidson the other, there is no common ground anywhere with Lab/LibDem almost irrelevant it seems. Not good really as all the important day to day governance stuff can't get the full attention due it.
If it does come to Indyref 2 because of Brexit I hope it's a strong result one way or the other.:mmm:
chippa1909
Head Pro
The deficit ( for last 2 years, lets conveniently forget the previous 40 years) is the best reason for indy. Huge mismanagement of Scottish assets by UK government over the years.
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Sorry - am I reading this right , Scotland losing a great deal amount of money is the fault of the U.K. Government ?
Sorry can you explain that please
chippa1909
Head Pro
Which part of mismanagement don't you understand?
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Deleted member 15344
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Was expecting some actual specifics
Or are you referring to the Krankies accusations of the mismanagement of the North Sea oil ?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/pol...d-runs-up-15bn-deficit-twice-size-of-UKs.html
Seems the public spending in Scotland is higher than anywhere else - is that the UK governments fault as well ?
Some further articles
https://www.theguardian.com/society...inances-worsen-fall-oil-revenues-15bn-deficit
Plenty more out there that points the figure clearly at the Scottish Parliament as opposed to the UK government
chippa1909
Head Pro
Really don't expect halfwits to understand that (from the much loved GERS figures) £55 million is raised from North Sea oil last year for Scotland, yet Norway with twice the production raises £15 BILLION. ??
fundy
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poster called chip from scotland, surely not 
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Im not sure the insult is required is it ?
Don't the Scottish Parliment have any say in the oil production then ?
And what about the public spending or the £15billion loan Scotland needed from the UK treasury ?
Or is it more convienent or easy to ignore those issues because that would mean the SNP actually have to accept a great deal of responsibility for the deficit ? Can't have that can they - easier just to blame Westminster
If everything that happens is the fault of Westminster what do the Scottish Parliament actually ? Is it worth having them ?
chippa1909
Head Pro
Leave out with the Krankies nonsense then, it is neither original, or funny.
And once the Scottish Government is responsible for 100% of its finances, and not 25% as it is now, then we can start talking about responsibility.
ColchesterFC
Journeyman Pro
Why shouldn't LP mention the Krankies, and why do you get to decide if it's funny? Your insult was directed at LP personally. His "insult" wasn't directed at you but you chose to take offence anyway.
Uncanny.......
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Deleted member 15344
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It seems from reading reports that if Scotland were 100% in charge of its finances the situation would be even worse - do Scotland not sort out their own public spending or is it more avoiding responsibility - can you explain why the public spending is more in Scotland ? Why there was a need for a £15bil loan
Myself or anyone calling Sturgeon -Jimmy Krankie because she bears a resemblance and it's a well known nickname people have used isn't the green light for you to throw insults at posters - calling her Krankie doesn't insult you ( unless you are her of course )
chippa1909
Head Pro
You guys just carry on. The screenshots I'm taking of these comments will, I'm sure, add a few Yes votes when I'm canvassing.
Lols.
Lols.
One Planer
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Did you not want to tackle the public spending issue or the debt to the UK treasury after all then ? Surely you would need to have a better more factual answer than " it's Westminster's " fault when you are canvassing ?
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