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New strains of Covid symptons

paddyjk said:
I have my own doctor thanks. The last place I would be looking for medical advice is on a golf forum.
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I'm sure you have as I'm sure we all have. Most family Doctors are general practitioners, "General" being the operative word. They don't always have specialised knowledge in certain areas.

We're you around here on the forum during the covid years?
Ethan's help and expert advice was well accepted by many on here, including myself.
 
Lord Tyrion said:
The original Covid thread became pretty toxic at times and was locked on multiple occasions. The OP made pretty clear what this particular thread related to in post #1. If people can't stick to the request then we will close this one sharpish. We don't want to go down the same road again.
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Can’t we allow conversations to develop naturally? No one is arguing here.
 
Orikoru said:
I wouldn't class myself as anti-vaxer but I see where you're coming from on this. I think it was implied, or at least I inferred, that things would start to open back up again once everybody had had the vaccine. And while it wasn't technically compulsory, in real terms it was because you knew most places would stop letting people in if they hadn't had it, which is exactly what happened. So I had those vaccines largely because it felt like we had to. Once they started bringing out 'boosters' and whatnot I didn't bother, as I figured when does it end? Are we going to be needed boosters every year for the rest of our lives if we go down this route? So I stuck with the original vaccine and no more. Nothing has happened to make me regret that decision.
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Orikoru said:
I don't believe it is deadly for me, as I'm not a vulnerable person. When it was one jab for everyone to move on (as it was sold at the time), I was on board. When it became "here's your new booster jab.. and there's plenty more where that came from" I was no longer on board. I've had Covid twice and it's really not been much of a problem for me. I'm not a fan of sticking needles in my arm unnecessarily.
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It was never ever sold as one jab and move on. Boostyers were always going to be needed. There have been plenty of non-vulnerable people who have died, had an unpleasant stay in ICU or suffered post-Covid complications. Having short clinical episodes of Covid doesn't mean the effects are over. Good luck.
 
TimShady said:
Can’t we allow conversations to develop naturally? No one is arguing here.
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This topic has past history and it wasn't pleasant at times. Normally, we would do exactly as you state but the previous experience means that certain topics will be halted quicker than others. This is one of those.

As long as everyone posts nicely, all will be fine. Ideally, go back to the original point of the thread, the OP did try to limit its range.
 
Ethan said:
It was never ever sold as one jab and move on. Boostyers were always going to be needed. There have been plenty of non-vulnerable people who have died, had an unpleasant stay in ICU or suffered post-Covid complications. Having short clinical episodes of Covid doesn't mean the effects are over. Good luck.
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I don't think I'm misremembering when I say they kept pretty quiet about this. It definitely felt implied that we all have the jab and then we can get on with our lives.

Anyway, I don't need to say anymore. People can go back to talking about their symptoms or whatever.
 
I don't think anyone knew exactly what was going to be required of boosters. The knowledge just wasn't there.
But pre vaccination it was a pretty serious disease for a minority but quite a sizeable minority.
Post vaccination that minority is much smaller.
 
Orikoru said:
I don't think I'm misremembering when I say they kept pretty quiet about this. It definitely felt implied that we all have the jab and then we can get on with our lives.

Anyway, I don't need to say anymore. People can go back to talking about their symptoms or whatever.
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OK, so perhaps in your world "they" didn't tell you, but in the world where human immunology had not been changed by Covid and we already knew about coronaviruses, a one shot vax was never ever going to be enough and nobody who understood the science seriously suggested that it would. The more likely scenario was that vaccination would not be very effective regardless of the number of shots.

Anyway, making health choices that could stop you being intubated in ICU based on whether you liked the politics surrounding it seems like the equivalent of hitting your tee shot out of bounds deliberately because you don't like a hole design. Won't hurt anybody but you.
 
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Ethan said:
OK, so perhaps in your world "they" didn't tell you, but in the world where human immunology had not been changed by Covid and we already knew about coronaviruses, a one shot vax was never ever going to be enough and nobody who understood the science seriously suggested that it would. The more likely scenario was that vaccination would not be very effective regardless of the number of shots.

Anyway, making health choices that could stop you being intubated in ICU based on whether you liked the politics surrounding it seems like the equivalent of hitting your tee shot out of bounds deliberately because you don't like a hole design. Won't hurt anybody but you.
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Firstly, I don't know why you're telling me the first part. I speak as a member of the public not as someone with any medical knowledge. So you've essentially confirmed that they were lying by allowing us to think it was one vax and done. They never said "here are the first vaccines of many" presumably because they knew more people would not have them if they were open about that.

Secondly, it has nothing to do with politics at all. It's simply a personal decision that I don't want to be having vaccines all the time that I don't feel I need. Everyone keeps saying 'we had/have a choice' but then, if your choice is not to have one they won't leave you alone.
 
Orikoru said:
Firstly, I don't know why you're telling me the first part. I speak as a member of the public not as someone with any medical knowledge. So you've essentially confirmed that they were lying by allowing us to think it was one vax and done. They never said "here are the first vaccines of many" presumably because they knew more people would not have them if they were open about that.

Secondly, it has nothing to do with politics at all. It's simply a personal decision that I don't want to be having vaccines all the time that I don't feel I need. Everyone keeps saying 'we had/have a choice' but then, if your choice is not to have one they won't leave you alone.
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I guess some of us think the choice shouldn’t really be available but that opens a massive human rights issue about compelled medical treatment.
 
Orikoru said:
Firstly, I don't know why you're telling me the first part. I speak as a member of the public not as someone with any medical knowledge. So you've essentially confirmed that they were lying by allowing us to think it was one vax and done. They never said "here are the first vaccines of many" presumably because they knew more people would not have them if they were open about that.

Secondly, it has nothing to do with politics at all. It's simply a personal decision that I don't want to be having vaccines all the time that I don't feel I need. Everyone keeps saying 'we had/have a choice' but then, if your choice is not to have one they won't leave you alone.
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Plenty of discussion in lay media, boosters always part of the deal. Nobody said it was one vax and done. Nor would it have been appropriate to say one of many. One of several, perhaps.

You do indeed have a choice, as you always have, but it would be good and in your own interest if your choice was based on a balanced understanding of risk and benefit.

Good luck either way.
 
I don't recall ever believing the vaccine was going to be a one shot for all fix.

And while those that elect not to have boosters because of their personal belief (whether that be their superhuman well being or because the wear a tinfoil hat) do have the right to chose, a vulnerable person that they could potentially infect could be the one to pay the ultimate price for that choice. I wonder if those that decline boosters would make the same choice if they had a close family member who had been identified as being vulnerable.
 
Lord Tyrion said:
This topic has past history and it wasn't pleasant at times. Normally, we would do exactly as you state but the previous experience means that certain topics will be halted quicker than others. This is one of those.

As long as everyone posts nicely, all will be fine. Ideally, go back to the original point of the thread, the OP did try to limit its range.
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Thankyou LT, I did try and hope people would just stick to symptons of the newer strains if they tested positive. The main reason for this was selfish in a way. My under 2 grandaughter has the symptons I have said, as had a friend of hers. My grandaughter wasnt tested but her friend was and was positive. Both of them cannot say more than mum, dad, dog and duck, so the hope was to try and help us all and especially those with kids who cannot verbalise their feelings or pains.

Whilst things evolve, Covid, threads on here, it seems this thread is going the same way as many others here so please, feel free to close it anytime you want.
 
Bunkermagnet said:
Thankyou LT, I did try and hope people would just stick to symptons of the newer strains if they tested positive. The main reason for this was selfish in a way. My under 2 grandaughter has the symptons I have said, as had a friend of hers. My grandaughter wasnt tested but her friend was and was positive. Both of them cannot say more than mum, dad, dog and duck, so the hope was to try and help us all and especially those with kids who cannot verbalise their feelings or pains.

Whilst things evolve, Covid, threads on here, it seems this thread is going the same way as many others here so please, feel free to close it anytime you want.
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Like I said , I'm not going to bother testing anymore like many others I think. So while I've been unwell I couldn't tell you if it were covid. I'll continue to follow government advice and get vaccine if offered but little else I can do.
 
paddyjk said:
Like I said , I'm not going to bother testing anymore like many others I think. So while I've been unwell I couldn't tell you if it were covid. I'll continue to follow government advice and get vaccine if offered but little else I can do.
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I think that is reasonable. The real value of testing is for isolation and for epidemiology. The Govt has more or less stopped the latter, and you can use judgement if coughing or sneezing badly, probably doesn't matter exactly what the cause it, better not to spread.
 
Ethan said:
I think that is reasonable. The real value of testing is for isolation and for epidemiology. The Govt has more or less stopped the latter, and you can use judgement if coughing or sneezing badly, probably doesn't matter exactly what the cause it, better not to spread.
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Strangely when I had it on my return from holiday, there was no couching, sneezing, sore throat or any traditional symptoms which is why I did not test straight away. Mine was 24 hours of what I saw as more traditional flu symptoms, hot, sweats, shivers but nothing I associated with COVID.
 
I cannot recall anyone saying it was one shot and done.
The trials for all the vaccines initially licenced in the UK were for two shots as far as I remember and the protection from the first shot was far less than after the second.
 
Backache said:
I cannot recall anyone saying it was one shot and done.
The trials for all the vaccines initially licenced in the UK were for two shots as far as I remember and the protection from the first shot was far less than after the second.
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To clarify, I meant the first 'pair' of vaccines when I said 'one and done'. As you say, they always stated it was two to be had a month or whatever it was apart. It was just the boosters they kept quiet about.

(Don't want to keep discussing as it's off-topic, just clarifying what I meant earlier.)
 
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