faroyon
Medal Winner
Hopefully you can clarify this for me. Can this local rule be used in Club qualifying competitions? Everywhere I look I seem to find a different answer.
New OOB rule
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SocketRocket
Ryder Cup Winner
The rule can only be used if authorised by the club committee.
jim8flog
Journeyman Pro
There is a very long thread about this in the rules section but put simply CONGU say no if you want the competition to qualifying for handicap purposes.
HughJars
Q-School Graduate
Eh? That's totally wrong surely? You have to have a local rule in place, otherwise you can't use the "rule", but if you do then you can in all events except elite events.
bobmac
Major Champion
''Balls Lost or Out of Bounds: Alternative to Stroke and Distance: A new Local Rule will now be available in January 2019, permitting committees to allow golfers the option to drop the ball in the vicinity of where the ball is lost or out of bounds (including the nearest fairway area), under a two-stroke penalty. It addresses concerns raised at the club level about the negative impact on pace of play when a player is required to go back under stroke and distance. The Local Rule is not intended for higher levels of play, such as professional or elite level competitions. ''
duncan mackie
Money List Winner
No.
If you have it in place when running handicap Q events they cease to be qualifying.
Equally you cannot return a supplemental card with the LR in place.
This one is going to cause carnage. It has been put out as a change in rule, I have heard people talking about it as a change of rule but then it is not allowed in a Q comp 
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clubchamp98
Journeyman Pro
Most golfers are ignorant of the basic rules.
These changes will make no difference to their knowledge.
Until they start getting DQd for something they have done for 30 odd years.
I can see handicap secs and committees being very very busy in the new year.
As for saving time , I am not sure it will. You will have four golfers all with differing opinions so to how to proceed if somebody is oob or lost their ball.
These changes will make no difference to their knowledge.
Until they start getting DQd for something they have done for 30 odd years.
I can see handicap secs and committees being very very busy in the new year.
As for saving time , I am not sure it will. You will have four golfers all with differing opinions so to how to proceed if somebody is oob or lost their ball.
ronkerr
Newbie
Thanks very much for this information. I am on a subcommittee that is deciding for our club whether or not to introduce this as a local rule - this information is invaluable and would almost certainly mean that we will not introduce it - do you have a reference for this?
nickjdavis
Head Pro
Try this link (last paragraph on page 2 is relevant to your request for a reference)
http://www.congu.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/CONGU-Advice-New-Rules-of-Golf.pdf
ronkerr
Newbie
Perfect - thanks!
HughJars
Q-School Graduate
Yup, everyone thinks it's for competition play that I've talked with, must admit even I missed it. Thanks to those above for clarifying.This one is going to cause carnage. It has been put out as a change in rule, I have heard people talking about it as a change of rule but then it is not allowed in a Q comp
duncan mackie
Money List Winner
Your handicap secretary should have had a note from CONGU confirming this about a month ago.
For us it turned a possible issue into a complete non issue 'just like that'.
As we have a very significant proportion of our comps as stableford we won't be utilising the other potentially contentious competition option either.
Rules evening done, all LRs re-written, course changes agreed and I'm now working through the COC and reworking them into the required new wordings etc
But it will still be carnage in Jan!
3offTheTee
Tour Rookie
There are enough new Rules coming in from 1/1/19.
This may sound simplistic but it is practical.
It cannot be in place for qualifying comps. nor elitist events.
I would scrap the whole of the intended new rule. The potential problems far outweigh any time saving gains.
This may sound simplistic but it is practical.
It cannot be in place for qualifying comps. nor elitist events.
I would scrap the whole of the intended new rule. The potential problems far outweigh any time saving gains.
rulefan
Tour Winner
Qualifying comps are a feature of CONGU not the golf rule makers. CONGU haven't even suggested a reason for their decision.
Elite events may choose to use the LR if the committee wish. The R&A/USGA are only making a suggestion. Their reasoning being the unlikelihood of an elite player playing a duff provisional. A good provisional is quicker than determining where the relief drop would be made if the LR is used.
Of course it isn't a compulsory rule. It is available as a Local Rule if committees wish to use it.
jim8flog
Journeyman Pro
The new rules are both USGA and R&A rules. The USGA is not governed by CONGU for handicap purposes
nickjdavis
Head Pro
Could you please provide a link to the wordings required for CoC's please. I've just rewritten all of ours but wasn't aware there was specific wording that I was supposed to use. Much appreciated.
duncan mackie
Money List Winner
Nick,
The reference to wordings was more about the change from CoC to Terms of Competition.
The key area for review is around 5H, where it's scope has, to me, changed significantly from previously and I'm trying to help the committee understand the nature of their options as well as their responsibilities.
As much as possible I like to keep to the structure and wordings because I've an expectation they have been thought through! At least they should be capable of being ruled on.
rulefan
Tour Winner
Nor is anyone else outside GB & Ireland. That's a lot of golfers who are not affected.
nickjdavis
Head Pro
Ah, ok, I see. Thanks.
I only asked because I ran a rules evening at my club on Tuesday and mentioned that I was in the process of rewriting the CoC's ready for Jan 1st and our handicap secretary said I'd probably not have them ready as there was all new wording to consider... so when you mentioned it I thought I'd better get up to speed and find out where the suggested wording was laid out.
As it happened I'd previously used my local Unions hard card as my base template and made it relevant to the needs of our club.
Looks like all I really need to do now is to change one word in the title at the top of the first page!!!
