New lockdown will courses close?

[CliveW]

There are travel restrictions within Scotland. Within Tier 3 you are permitted to travel around 5 miles for golf and in Tier 2 you are permitted to travel freely within your local authority area.
https://scottishgolf.org/2nd-november-covid-19-update/

 

[Deleted Member 1156]

I don’t think they are. Have you evidence of that being the case?

Personally I don't have any but there were numerous reports and comments in the media at the weekend that this is the case. Andrew Marr show etc.

Edit: Here are some sources
https://www.tes.com/news/revealed-sage-warning-over-schools-spreading-covid

https://www.theguardian.com/educati...land-wales-will-spread-into-local-communities

https://www.watfordobserver.co.uk/n...s-outbreaks-england-spreading-mostly-schools/

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/09/27/alarm-spread-covid-19-french-schools-universities/

https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/...covid-coronavirus-pandemic-in-person-teaching

 

[GB72]

I am just loving the irony on here at the moment. On one thread 'the rules are too complicated and confusing and so people breach them' then a simple blanket ban is imposed to keep it easy to understand 'well that's not fair, surely this should be allowed'.

Amazing how quickly people forget the last lockdown. How quickly did that move from 'I would happily play on my own' to 'surely I can play with someone in my household' to 'surely 2 balls are alright' to 'we do not have enough tee times for only 2 balls, surely 4 balls are fine' to 'OK why can I not arrange a roll up, we can find different ways to hand over money and arrange groups' to 'OK, why can the club not also sell takeaways' to 'if we are outside, surely we can eat the takeaway together in the car park' to 'I know, I'll bring some beers and we can have a few in the car park afterwards' etc. You can see where I am going, people are never happy. The ban was the simplest and best option.

 

[eddie_1878]

I am just loving the irony on here at the moment. On one thread 'the rules are too complicated and confusing and so people breach them' then a simple blanket ban is imposed to keep it easy to understand 'well that's not fair, surely this should be allowed'.

Amazing how quickly people forget the last lockdown. How quickly did that move from 'I would happily play on my own' to 'surely I can play with someone in my household' to 'surely 2 balls are alright' to 'we do not have enough tee times for only 2 balls, surely 4 balls are fine' to 'OK why can I not arrange a roll up, we can find different ways to hand over money and arrange groups' to 'OK, why can the club not also sell takeaways' to 'if we are outside, surely we can eat the takeaway together in the car park' to 'I know, I'll bring some beers and we can have a few in the car park afterwards' etc. You can see where I am going, people are never happy. The ban was the simplest and best option.

Some fair points there.

 

[robinthehood]

I am just loving the irony on here at the moment. On one thread 'the rules are too complicated and confusing and so people breach them' then a simple blanket ban is imposed to keep it easy to understand 'well that's not fair, surely this should be allowed'.

Amazing how quickly people forget the last lockdown. How quickly did that move from 'I would happily play on my own' to 'surely I can play with someone in my household' to 'surely 2 balls are alright' to 'we do not have enough tee times for only 2 balls, surely 4 balls are fine' to 'OK why can I not arrange a roll up, we can find different ways to hand over money and arrange groups' to 'OK, why can the club not also sell takeaways' to 'if we are outside, surely we can eat the takeaway together in the car park' to 'I know, I'll bring some beers and we can have a few in the car park afterwards' etc. You can see where I am going, people are never happy. The ban was the simplest and best option.

Things that can carry on safely should have remained open. A blanket ban in the 1st lockdown was fair enough, but we've learned a lot since then and this time round we could and should have been a lot smarter.
A lot of places have spent a great deal of time, effort and money in making sure they are safe and to just throw that back in thier face is piss poor imo.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Things that can carry on safely should have remained open. A blanket ban in the 1st lockdown was fair enough, but we've learned a lot since then and this time round we could and should have been a lot smarter.
A lot of places have spent a great deal of time, effort and money in making sure they are safe and to just throw that back in thier face is piss poor imo.

As mentioned elsewhere - in a huge irony it is possible that the size of the petition highlighted to ministers the potential scale of the risk associated with golf (if they needed further evidence to support their decision).

 

[PJ87]

As mentioned elsewhere - in a huge irony it is possible that the size of the petition highlighted to ministers the potential scale of the risk associated with golf (if they needed further evidence to support their decision).

Plus when you think about it many people will take up golf

The courses will be busier than normal at this time of year

More risk

 

[GB72]

Things that can carry on safely should have remained open. A blanket ban in the 1st lockdown was fair enough, but we've learned a lot since then and this time round we could and should have been a lot smarter.
A lot of places have spent a great deal of time, effort and money in making sure they are safe and to just throw that back in thier face is piss poor imo.

Part of me agrees but part of me also saw too many examples of people ignoring those very safe procedures that were put in place (people were joining up as 4 balls as soon as they were out of view of the clubhouse pretty much from day 1 last time). Look at social media, look at youtube videos, there are group photos, people sharing kit and buggies etc all over the place. Yes, many behave but there are people who spoil it for everyone. If everyone behaved, we would still be in pubs and restaurants and meeting friends. Golfers are no more innocent or guilty of misbehaving as any other group but they are not all pillars of virtue as they are trying to claim at the moment.

The other fact is the numbers. When you are trying to limit the numbers of people making non essential trips then get handed a petition saying that at least quarter of a million people want to travel to and from their golf clubs, really what choice do you have other than a blanket ban.

 

[robinthehood]

As mentioned elsewhere - in a huge irony it is possible that the size of the petition highlighted to ministers the potential scale of the risk associated with golf (if they needed further evidence to support their decision).

Golf is just one of many things that could have carried on safely.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Golf is just one of many things that could have carried on safely.

Yes - perhaps each of many activities could have carried on relatively safely - but ALL activities? - then the relative safety of each activity individually changes to relatively risky as an aggregated whole. The virus doesn't choose a sport or activity as a source - and doesn't feel it's job is done once it's started in one context - it starts spreading wherever and whenever it gets the opportunity - and will start spreading as frequently as opportunities present.

 

[robinthehood]

Yes - perhaps each of many activities could have carried on relatively safely - but ALL activities? - then the relative safety of each activity individually changes to relatively risky as an aggregated whole.

WHo said all? thats just daft

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

WHo said all? thats just daft

It's just how I see it. The relative safety of each individual activity in isolation does not change, but when multiple activities are continued then (as I see it) the risk to the community as a whole from continuing all activities is higher than that for each activity in isolation.

It's probability and likelihood of occurrence. Roll a die once and you might get a six but likelihood (1:6) is that you won't. Roll a die enough times and you will most probably roll a six before long. It's not Russian Roulette as with that you'll eventually fire the bullet - and with a die you might never roll a six. But I wouldn't bet my house on it.

 

[Diamond]

Good luck getting a delivery slot from them. Lat lockdown it was something like a 6 week wait. Luckily found a lock wine supplier that I am still using.

Ordered earlier and had a call to say delivery Saturday.

 

[GB72]

Ordered earlier and had a call to say delivery Saturday.

Good effort, luckily I found a local supplier that stocks all the pubs in my area. Normally as long as I put in the order in the morning it is there by the afternoon.

 

[Diamond]

Stay Home, Protect the NHS, Save Lives...Eat Out To Help Out...What a shambles.

My local hospital is

Good effort, luckily I found a local supplier that stocks all the pubs in my area. Normally as long as I put in the order in the morning it is there by the afternoon.

Nice one. Majestic does a wonderful Sicilian red number which I am quite partial too.
I also get my ale direct from the brewery’s. My favourites are Tiny Rebel and Red Willow.

 

[Deleted member 29109]

One does wonder how many of those that are happy to break lockdown rules, are unhappy that some golfers want to wear a hoodie or a cap inside. Because they are the rules ?

 

[GB72]

One does wonder how many of those that are happy to break lockdown rules, are unhappy that some golfers want to wear a hoodie or a cap inside. Because they are the rules ?

It is another lovely irony that golfers are so happy to quote 'because its the rules' when people question dress codes, admission policies etc but now the rules in this case do not follow what they want, they are up in arms about it.

 

[SteveW86]

The tee booking sheet for the club is looking very busy for tomorrow

 

[AmandaJR]

We've had an email to confirm closure from close of business on Wednesday until 2nd December.

 

[robinthehood]

It is another lovely irony that golfers are so happy to quote 'because its the rules' when people question dress codes, admission policies etc but now the rules in this case do not follow what they want, they are up in arms about it.

Who's up in arms? Getting a little OTT there.