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New lockdown will courses close?

Golfnut1957

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I would have liked to see the courses stay open but in a way i am glad they stood by the decision, every sport could argue their point to stay open with varying degrees of mitigation. If it going to be a case of 4 weeks and then back open then so be it.

497 deaths today suggests something has to be done, if staying off a golf course for a few weeks helps then fair enough.
I have three workmen coming in to my house on Monday to fit a new worktop. I can go into a DIY store to buy anything I need to fit my new kitchen. I can go to a supermarket, a chippy, an Indian or even a pub and get a take way. I can go to work. I can have 1-2-1 fitness instruction outdoors, I can meet a friend in a park or other open space, and I have just been informed that thanks to a change of heart by the government I can have horse riding lessons.....................but I can't go to a golf course with one other, or even on my own and play a game of golf.

Crazy. I will do what I have to do to protect others, but someone explain that to me.
 

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So what! The 'responsible' response is to point out that Golf is somewhat different from other 'activities' but accept that in the best interests of the entire country, 1 or 2 (or 4) rounds of Golf are nothing if acceptance means a number of potential fatalities (elsewhere) avoid that fate!

Oh, and a round of Golf doesn't help with lung capacity unless either an extraordinary amount of hill work is involved or golfers 'sprint' around the course! Golf is a 'gentle' exercise...beneficial, but NOT aerobic!

The responsible thing is to allow all sports to continue as there's no statistical benefit in closing them.

Their policies are backwards, defying logic and rationale.

I would beg to differ especially when carrying your bag.
 

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The responsible thing is to allow all sports to continue as there's no statistical benefit in closing them.
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It's unlikely there's any meaningful stats on any 'sports' - pro or con! But the likelihood is that the more contacts, the more likelihood of transmission!
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Their policies are backwards, defying logic and rationale.
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IYO! I believe you are biased!
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I would beg to differ especially when carrying your bag.
Still not particularly aerobic!
And making 'carrying your bag' a pre-requisite for allowing golf to be played is simply ridiculously impractical! You are simply trying to find excuses to continue to play!
 

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It's unlikely there's any meaningful stats on any 'sports' - pro or con! But the likelihood is that the more contacts, the more likelihood of transmission!

IYO! I believe you are biased!

Still not particularly aerobic!
And making 'carrying your bag' a pre-requisite for allowing golf to be played is simply ridiculously impractical! You are simply trying to find excuses to continue to play!

Hmm, you're taking my words out of context.

It may not be particular aerobic but the prolonged walk is more than what most would do as they wouldn't go for a walk for the sake of walking, massively impacting lung function not forgetting the age of most golfers 65+.

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It may not be particular aerobic.....
Which destroys your entire argument of your earlier post!!

I agree, it's 'beneficial exercise', but it would be far better to swim a few/several lengths regularly if increasing 'lung strength' is the aim!
Golf is actually little, if any, better exercise (per hour) than gardening!
 

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Which destroys your entire argument of your earlier post!!

I agree, it's 'beneficial exercise', but it would be far better to swim a few/several lengths regularly if increasing 'lung strength' is the aim!
Golf is actually little, if any, better exercise (per hour) than gardening!

It may not be aerobic in some instances but it is clearly beneficial as 'When comparing golfers and non-golfers, the researchers found that the golfers were 40% less likely to have died than non-golfers of the same age within the time frame they examined'.

Plus the main participating group falls into the at-risk category where lung function falls at a significantly greater rate.
 

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It may not be aerobic in some instances but it is clearly beneficial as 'When comparing golfers and non-golfers, the researchers found that the golfers were 40% less likely to have died than non-golfers of the same age within the time frame they examined'.
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That stat means/shows/proves absolutely zilch!
Just remember the truism about statistics 'There are three kinds of Lies: Lies, Damned Lies and Statistics'.
 

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I have three workmen coming in to my house on Monday to fit a new worktop. I can go into a DIY store to buy anything I need to fit my new kitchen. I can go to a supermarket, a chippy, an Indian or even a pub and get a take way. I can go to work. I can have 1-2-1 fitness instruction outdoors, I can meet a friend in a park or other open space, and I have just been informed that thanks to a change of heart by the government I can have horse riding lessons.....................but I can't go to a golf course with one other, or even on my own and play a game of golf.

Crazy. I will do what I have to do to protect others, but someone explain that to me.

Some of the rules don't make sense. That has always been the case since this started. Science is not always the deciding factor. Make of that what you will.
 

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Cannot believe that American Golf "fully endorses" the current closure of golf courses.
What a betrayal of their customers!
 

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Sadly, the problem with the pre-lockdown2 guidelines was the fact they could be bent. No indoor gatherings? ok we'll put up a marquee outside the clubhouse and serve people "outdoors". Between June and yesterday I saw several "outdoor gatherings" at golf clubs which consisted of dozens of blokes crowded into a beer tent.

I was all for keeping golf going, but many people just can't respect the ethos of the self distancing regulations.
 

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Heard some representative of Golf in England (so I assume from England Golf) being interviewed on the Today programme about the government turning down request for golf to be exempt...3m golfers needing exercise apparently.

TBH I don't think that telling the public that golf courses should be kept open to enable 3m individuals to exercise - I could almost hear p'd off non-golfers shouting at their radios...just go for a walk! And 3m? Well - if 300,000 petitioners wasn't a big enough number for the government - then I am guessing the prospect of 3m individuals travelling to and from golf clubs might do the trick.

And of course the real problem (IMO) is that just a short time later on the same programme we had a RC Bishop making the case for those of a religious persuasion being allowed to continue their worship in church...and it just so happens that last time I checked there are about 3m regular church-goers in UK - before we add in those many of other faiths similarly impacted. And so the requests for exemptions would just go on - if Them then why not Us ?

I don't think whoever it was I heard on the radio this morning did us golfers any great service tbh - though he did say the decision is now accepted - but to be revisited for after 2nd December.
 
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Heard some representative of Golf in England (so I assume from England Golf) being interviewed on the Today programme about the government turning down request for golf to exempt...3m golfers needing exercise apparently.

TBH I don't think that telling the public that golf courses should be kept open to enable 3m individuals to exercise - I could almost hear p'd off non-golfers shouting at their radios...just go for a walk! And 3m? Well - if 300,000 petitioners wasn't a big enough number for the government - then I am guessing the prospect of 3m individuals travelling to and from golf clubs might do the trick.

And of course the real problem (IMO) is that just a short time later on the same programme we had a RC Bishop making the case for those of a religious persuasion being allowed to continue their worship in church...and it just so happens that last time I checked there are about 3m regular church-goers in UK - before we add in those many of other faiths similarly impacted. And so the requests for exemptions would just go on - if Them then why not Us ?

I don't think whoever it was I heard on the radio this morning did us golfers any great service tbh - though he did say the decision is now accepted - but to be revisited for after 2nd December.
3 million outside in the open spread across acres does not equate to 3 million church-goers stuffed in to old buildings.
 

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lucky me - our golf courses remain open for play only the bars and restaurants are closed. players are asked to leave the premises immediately after having finished their rounds. unfortunately the condition of my left knee does not allow me to play right now :sick:
 

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3 million outside in the open spread across acres does not equate to 3 million church-goers stuffed in to old buildings.
Not sure if you've been to many churches recently if you think they are 'stuffed' :)

I only mentioned church-goers, as the 'complaint' from the Bishop was made on the same radio programme only minutes after a 'complaint' from a Golfer - and so the comparison is only made in the context of the 'If Them then why not Us' call that we know would go up from all over.

In any case - even without the comparison I don't think it is great to base the case for golf courses being open upon the need for 3m individuals to exercise - as I doubt it's going to win a huge amount of sympathy from non-golfers who will just have to go out for a walk locally.
 

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I have three workmen coming in to my house on Monday to fit a new worktop. I can go into a DIY store to buy anything I need to fit my new kitchen. I can go to a supermarket, a chippy, an Indian or even a pub and get a take way. I can go to work. I can have 1-2-1 fitness instruction outdoors, I can meet a friend in a park or other open space, and I have just been informed that thanks to a change of heart by the government I can have horse riding lessons.....................but I can't go to a golf course with one other, or even on my own and play a game of golf.

Crazy. I will do what I have to do to protect others, but someone explain that to me.

Crazy indeed I can't believe it





takes three workmen to fit a worktop;)
 

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Not sure if you've been to many churches recently if you think they are 'stuffed' :)

I only mentioned church-goers, as the 'complaint' from the Bishop was made on the same radio programme only minutes after a 'complaint' from a Golfer - and so the comparison is only made in the context of the 'If Them then why not Us' call that we know would go up from all over.

In any case - even without the comparison I don't think it is great to base the case for golf courses being open upon the need for 3m individuals to exercise - as I doubt it's going to win a huge amount of sympathy from non-golfers who will just have to go out for a walk locally.

I thought churches were staying open for private prayer, Doesnt that mean you can still go on your own?
 
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