New Labour Leader

[Bunkermagnet]

not over the moon TBH, it will be a move away from socialism to Tory light, but i suppose that is better than Tory right

Aside from the Gulf war and everything that went with it, that is how Blair was viewed by many. Having an ideology is fine, but it has to be practical in the modern world.

 

[Deleted member 18588]

Being an unpopular powerless Socialist is just a little bit pointless. Society doesn’t currently want Socialism. So the Party needs to reflect what the voters actually want and not just assume that we’re all a bit too stupid to know what we want.

This is a great result. Starmer is intelligent and respected. He’ll eat most of the Government front bench for breakfast. We finally have an Opposition that will pull voters away from the Tories.

I admire your optimism but many feel that, for a man with his previous career, he has been singularly uninspiring in the HoC.

Uncertain of his brief and displaying a clear lack of parliamentary experience.

Lisa Nandy would IMO have been a better choice with a broader appeal to traditional Labour voters.

 

[MegaSteve]

Wasn't my first choice but got convinced it was the 'sensible' vote at this time...
Concerned as to whether he can 'connect' with those away from London...
Though there are plenty of 'traditional' Labour voters in London...

 

[SocketRocket]

He tainted himself in my eyes with his wishy washy policy on Brexit. I see him as a civil servant who is probably capable but lacking leadership. Hes got the job as the best of a bad bunch.

 

[bluewolf]

I admire your optimism but many feel that, for a man with his previous career, he has been singularly uninspiring in the HoC.

Uncertain of his brief and displaying a clear lack of parliamentary experience.

Lisa Nandy would IMO have been a better choice with a broader appeal to traditional Labour voters.

I’d prefer to think that he was constrained by the leadership of the time and took a pragmatic approach.

Nandy is my local MP and is very capable, but she’s also inexperienced. Draft her into the shadow cabinet and give her the experience. In 10 years she’ll be formidable.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

All I want is him to support the Government at this difficult time, there is plenty of time to hold them to account and rebuild the Labour support once, as a Country, we are through this.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Classic Labour...... it took a 3 month very complicated voting system to vote in a leader who was always going to win by a country mile.
System somehow reminded me of the USSR.

 

[Deleted member 18588]

I’d prefer to think that he was constrained by the leadership of the time and took a pragmatic approach.

Nandy is my local MP and is very capable, but she’s also inexperienced. Draft her into the shadow cabinet and give her the experience. In 10 years she’ll be formidable.

But Starmer is also inexperienced only having been in Parliament for 5 years whereas Nandy has been an MP twice as long.

 

[Bunkermagnet]

He tainted himself in my eyes with his wishy washy policy on Brexit. I see him as a civil servant who is probably capable but lacking leadership. Hes got the job as the best of a bad bunch.

Don't you think it's time to let that dog lie?
Or are we going to keep judging every politician from now till kingdom come on which way they argued/voted in THAT referendum?

 

[bluewolf]

But Starmer is also inexperienced only having been in Parliament for 5 years whereas Nandy has been an MP twice as long.

Good points, but Starmer has lengthy experience in senior roles such as The DPP and head of the CPS. He currently carries more “weight” than Lisa.

FWIW, I’ve met Lisa several times as she’s my local MP and she’s always impressed me. She works very hard and is fearsome under pressure. I have a lot more confidence in a Labour Party that puts Starmer, Nandy and Phillips at the top table. The only question for me is what does Starmer do with Long Bailey? Will he take on Momentum or will he try to placate them?

 

[Old Skier]

It makes labour more electable at the stroke of a pen. But who knows now we have a ‘socialist’ Tory govt

While Momentum and Raynor are around the good sir will be fighting with his hands tied behind his back.

 

[bluewolf]

While Momentum and Raynor are around the good sir will be fighting with his hands tied behind his back.

That’s my fear. However, the first step is to fill the leadership positions with centre left politicians. The 2nd is to remove the influence of Momentum.

I can actually feel the mindset changing at the moment. It won’t be quick, but it doesn’t have to be. For the next few years I want the Labour Party to spend more time supporting the Government and trying to pull the Tories back from the brink of outright socialism (?). Hold them to account when they’re wrong. Support them when they’re right. The next election has to be their focus, but only when the current crisis is “over”.

 

[Old Skier]

Unfortunately Momentum control the Labour Party the everyday voter isn't a party member and have no time for Momentum. The only people who haven't realised that are the likes of LB Raynor and Momentum members.

 

[SocketRocket]

Don't you think it's time to let that dog lie?
Or are we going to keep judging every politician from now till kingdom come on which way they argued/voted in THAT referendum?

That's not the point. We can only judge people on their past performance and that's what I'm doing with him. It matters not whether the task was Brexit but how he performed and in this respect imo he seemed lacking.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

That's not the point. We can only judge people on their past performance and that's what I'm doing with him. It matters not whether the task was Brexit but how he performed and in this respect imo he seemed lacking.

?? How many times were we told to ignore boris’s past, give him a chance and judge him as pm. ?? Comedy Gold.

 

[Old Skier]

That's not the point. We can only judge people on their past performance and that's what I'm doing with him. It matters not whether the task was Brexit but how he performed and in this respect imo he seemed lacking.

He is a very inexperienced politician, note I say politician, he jumped on a horse that he thought would win and for whatever reason it was the wrong horse. It will be something that will come back and bite him occasionally but like ALL politicians his memory will be short and life will go on.

 

[SocketRocket]

?? How many times were we told to ignore boris’s past, give him a chance and judge him as pm. ?? Comedy Gold.

Please stop diverting the issue for point scoring opportunities. We are not discussing Boris and you are making rather silly remarks. I'm sure you are quite able to make your point without needing to use such remarks.

I hope Starmer does turn out to be a good leader, I can only give my opinion on how I feel about him to date.

 

[bluewolf]

That's not the point. We can only judge people on their past performance and that's what I'm doing with him. It matters not whether the task was Brexit but how he performed and in this respect imo he seemed lacking.

To be fair Brian. I’m fairly certain that you’re not his target demographic. He doesn’t have to win you over. ?

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Please stop diverting the issue for point scoring opportunities. We are not discussing Boris and you are making rather silly remarks. I'm sure you are quite able to make your point without needing to use such remarks.

I hope Starmer does turn out to be a good leader, I can only give my opinion on how I feel about him to date.

Diverting nothing! Time and time again boris’s lies and past were used as stick and time and time again people were told it wasn’t about the past and we should get behind him and give him our support etc. incl when people were reminded about boris’s stance and voting history on brexit!

Move on, Brexit is over, we won.

 

[SocketRocket]

To be fair Brian. I’m fairly certain that you’re not his target demographic. He doesn’t have to win you over. ?

That's not necessarily the case, it may come as a shock but I have voted Labour a number of times and did so with Blair. I would still be prepared to vote Labour if they could put up a prospective government that was closer to centre and with better prospective ministers than currently available.