New Labour Leader

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

You clearly don't remember Milliband's past performances.

Remember this is Ed we're talking about not David.

I am comparing him with Alok Sharma

it is important that the opposition are considered competent and at least have the ear of the public - and that they ask the difficult questions of the government around decisions and plans relating to the current crisis.

 

[Deleted member 18588]

I am comparing him with Alok Sharma

I absolutely agree that Sharma has performed very poorly but Ed Miliband has been nothing but poor throughout his frontbench career.

And as party leader he was completely useless.

 

[Hacker Khan]

I absolutely agree that Sharma has performed very poorly but Ed Miliband has been nothing but poor throughout his frontbench career.

And as party leader he was completely useless.

His podcasts with Geoff Lloyd are great though.

 

[Dando]

I hope Lammy has renewed his race card!

Just saw an interview where he said he was told the Grenfell deaths were higher than stated by the police and so therefore the police numbers were wrong but he had no concrete evidence ????

 

[full_throttle]

How true is this statement?

"In 2009, the paedophile Jimmy Savile was interviewed under caution by police in Surrey and Sussex. Subsequently, the police referred 4 cases to the CPS alleging that Jimmy Savile had abused 3 girls under the age of 16.
The CPS, after receiving the files from the police, refused to prosecute Savile and dropped the case claiming ‘insufficient evidence’’.
After Savile’s death, and despite multiple attempts of high level cover ups, we now know that he abused up to 500 victims over a four-decade period.
Why am I sharing this with you?
The man in charge of the CPS at the time, that decided there was 'insufficient evidence' to charge Savile, is the now Leader of the Labour Party Sir Kier Starmer."

 

[Imurg]

How true is this statement?

"In 2009, the paedophile Jimmy Savile was interviewed under caution by police in Surrey and Sussex. Subsequently, the police referred 4 cases to the CPS alleging that Jimmy Savile had abused 3 girls under the age of 16.
The CPS, after receiving the files from the police, refused to prosecute Savile and dropped the case claiming ‘insufficient evidence’’.
After Savile’s death, and despite multiple attempts of high level cover ups, we now know that he abused up to 500 victims over a four-decade period.
Why am I sharing this with you?
The man in charge of the CPS at the time, that decided there was 'insufficient evidence' to charge Savile, is the now Leader of the Labour Party Sir Kier Starmer."

While nothing there is factually incorrect, without being privy to what actual evidence there was at the time I think it's a bit harsh to lay it on Starmer
There may not have been enough evidence to make a conviction likely...as we've seen since, it doesn't mean he didn't do it, just that, at the time, they couldn't prove it.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

How true is this statement?

"In 2009, the paedophile Jimmy Savile was interviewed under caution by police in Surrey and Sussex. Subsequently, the police referred 4 cases to the CPS alleging that Jimmy Savile had abused 3 girls under the age of 16.
The CPS, after receiving the files from the police, refused to prosecute Savile and dropped the case claiming ‘insufficient evidence’’.
After Savile’s death, and despite multiple attempts of high level cover ups, we now know that he abused up to 500 victims over a four-decade period.
Why am I sharing this with you?
The man in charge of the CPS at the time, that decided there was 'insufficient evidence' to charge Savile, is the now Leader of the Labour Party Sir Kier Starmer."

Wow, just wow, I guess it wasn’t important before Saturday.

 

[Hobbit]

There's a few in his Cabinet that definitely aren't my favourites. However, they represent a section of the party and will bring a diversity and balance of what the Labour Party is, hopefully. They have, by their own admission a huge job of work in front of them. Whether they get my vote in the future, we'll see but I do hope they become competent enough to be considered. More importantly I hope, even with such a deficit, that they keep the govt honest and on their toes.

Perhaps naively I'm hoping for some good honest politicking.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

There's a few in his Cabinet that definitely aren't my favourites. However, they represent a section of the party and will bring a diversity and balance of what the Labour Party is, hopefully. They have, by their own admission a huge job of work in front of them. Whether they get my vote in the future, we'll see but I do hope they become competent enough to be considered. More importantly I hope, even with such a deficit, that they keep the govt honest and on their toes.

Perhaps naively I'm hoping for some good honest politicking.

Totally agree and that’s all any of us can hope for.

 

[SocketRocket]

Lammy in the cabinet

And the return of Milliband

Lammy, what a plonker!

 

[Fade and Die]

I hope Lammy has renewed his race card!

Just saw an interview where he said he was told the Grenfell deaths were higher than stated by the police and so therefore the police numbers were wrong but he had no concrete evidence ????

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/20...j7T-K65xgjme9vQhZP0PUCaXEL-_gI6-_w1tatuoQKMBQ

 

[pokerjoke]

I don’t like politicians they all seem to lose the ability to speak the truth or not actually answer the questions asked directly.
Must be in their DNA

 

[Deleted member 16999]

I’m sure I read on this forum when the Covid-19 broke that we should put politics to one side and come together to fight this virus.

Strange how the majority managed it until Labour elected a new leader and the same old right wing characters appeared to start dissing him and some of his shadow cabinet.

Maybe the rules only go one way?

 

[2blue]

I’m sure I read on this forum when the Covid-19 broke that we should put politics to one side and come together to fight this virus.

Strange how the majority managed it until Labour elected a new leader and the same old right wing characters appeared to start dissing him and some of his shadow cabinet.

Maybe the rules only go one way?

WHAT, Paul...... are we still not 'All in this together?'

 

[Hacker Khan]

How true is this statement?

"In 2009, the paedophile Jimmy Savile was interviewed under caution by police in Surrey and Sussex. Subsequently, the police referred 4 cases to the CPS alleging that Jimmy Savile had abused 3 girls under the age of 16.
The CPS, after receiving the files from the police, refused to prosecute Savile and dropped the case claiming ‘insufficient evidence’’.
After Savile’s death, and despite multiple attempts of high level cover ups, we now know that he abused up to 500 victims over a four-decade period.
Why am I sharing this with you?
The man in charge of the CPS at the time, that decided there was 'insufficient evidence' to charge Savile, is the now Leader of the Labour Party Sir Kier Starmer."

Also Saville was very friendly with Thatcher and used that friendship to portray an image of respectability which he would not have had otherwise. So should we be dropping equally vague nutjob conspiracy theory hints that Thatcher was covering up for him as well?

If you use your statement as a reason not to vote Labour then chances are you are kind of a bit myopic in your voting intentions anyway. But thanks for the heads up, it's reminded me to vote on policies and ideology at the next election and not some vague accusations copied from social media in an attempt to convince the simple minded.

 

[2blue]

Also Saville was very friendly with Thatcher and used that friendship to portray an image of respectability which he would not have had otherwise. So should we be dropping equally vague nutjob conspiracy theory hints that Thatcher was covering up for him as well?

If you use your statement as a reason not to vote Labour then chances are you are kind of a bit myopic in your voting intentions anyway. But thanks for the heads up, it's reminded me to vote on but on policies and ideology at the next election and not some vague accusations copied from social media in an attempt to convince the simple minded, blinkered, far right extremists.

Thought I'd best sort that for you as, 'We're all in this together!!'

 

[Foxholer]

You clearly don't remember Milliband's past performances.

Remember this is Ed we're talking about not David.

There's a vast difference between being a (Shadow) Cabinet Minister and being (Shadow) Leader of the Party! Same applies to the attributes required to properly fulfil the role. There are some (DM likely one imo) who have the attributes for both, but others are 'specialists'. Same reasoning applies why it should not be automatic to promote the best technical/worker to be team leader!

 

[Deleted member 18588]

There's a vast difference between being a (Shadow) Cabinet Minister and being (Shadow) Leader of the Party! Same applies to the attributes required to properly fulfil the role. There are some (DM likely one imo) who have the attributes for both, but others are 'specialists'. Same reasoning applies why it should not be automatic to promote the best technical/worker to be team leader!

And pray what talents other than self-promotion has Ed Miliband ever displayed .

 

[ferenezejohn]

With all due respect... We are up to our necks in sh1te and we've got time to be concerned about who's in the shadow cabinet and the Bword? ?...

No denying we're up to our neck in it
But you can't let it consume you, you need other outlet's to keep you occupied and your spirits up.
Not saying politics is best way though ??
I for one who has been labour all my life is glad to see the back of Corbyn.

 

[2blue]

And pray what talents other than self-promotion has BoJo ever displayed .

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