3565
Journeyman Pro
Yeah you'll buy the book now, and skip the new way of thinking, to the lets put the new Nike Usain Bolt golf go faster shoes on for you. :rofl:
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Yeah you'll buy the book now, and skip the new way of thinking, to the lets put the new Nike Usain Bolt golf go faster shoes on for you. :rofl:
SGC001
Challenge Tour Pro
There is a rumour Nicklaus would intentionally play less club off the tee in some match play instances to be allowed to play his shot in first and put the pressure on. Could adapt that for strokeplay, hit it better not further as golf is a target game, distance can help but isn't the aim of the game. On the other hand what has someone else's shot got to do with your play anyway?
Nope. He creams the three wood miles and I am a girly short hitter with my driver. I knew many of the long par 4's (420+ yards) were out of my reach so decent lay up, pitch on and bogey (two points with a shot) is your friend
Hacker Khan
Yurt Dwelling, Yoghurt Knitter
And as the saying goes, drive for show........
3565
Journeyman Pro
I think this club to the back of the green is dependant on each individual's skill level. For a mid to high hc golfer I think what John is saying is that if you club to the back and you do mis hit it, chances are you will have enough club to be pin high as opposed to the club that you mis hit to only reach the pin. If you do manage to hit the Sunday best and is at the back, then be like LP and enjoy iiiiiiiiitttttt.
if however your single to low hc then your skill and ability to put a good solid swing and strike will determine your club selection, pin position, slope of green and which would give me the easiest putt, ie if it slopes back to front, single planer, then it's best to be 20ft short and 30 degrees to the hole then 10ft away pin high and 90 degrees to the hole.
I hope those who attended will gain something out of it, but it will be a slow process as it's a change of how you approach your game, it's better to try then not to, and those who don't will resist.
if however your single to low hc then your skill and ability to put a good solid swing and strike will determine your club selection, pin position, slope of green and which would give me the easiest putt, ie if it slopes back to front, single planer, then it's best to be 20ft short and 30 degrees to the hole then 10ft away pin high and 90 degrees to the hole.
I hope those who attended will gain something out of it, but it will be a slow process as it's a change of how you approach your game, it's better to try then not to, and those who don't will resist.
Region3
Ryder Cup Winner
I know it's not intended to be the focus of the thread, but every time one of these "back of the green" discussions crops up I go over recent rounds in my head and total fats aside, I don't think I've ever been short significantly more than I've been long. Maybe I'm just lucky.
I'm tempted to blow a fiver on the book though if it can show me how to ignore someone who constantly bemoans his luck and his game the whole way round the course. I don't intend to let it affect me but over 4 hours it can end up wearing me down.
I'm tempted to blow a fiver on the book though if it can show me how to ignore someone who constantly bemoans his luck and his game the whole way round the course. I don't intend to let it affect me but over 4 hours it can end up wearing me down.
richart
Major Champion
If you watch the Pros, how many times do they go over a green and struggle to get down in two. A lot more than when they miss short I bet. A lot of courses don't have bunkers at the back, so you tend to finish in thick grass or worse.
I am not talking about amateurs that tend to miss hit most shots and come up short, but players that hit the ball well. Would a 15 handicapper be better off putting from 30 feet short of the pin, or chipping from 5 yards over the back of a green. I know which I would rather do at my Club, and a lot of courses I have played over the years. Just my opinion of course.
richart
Major Champion
Surely that is due to not hitting the ball out of the screws. Miss hits generally come up short, unless it is a topped wedge.
Should you play a club that when you don't quite catch it finishes pin high, but when you cream it you fly the green by 20 yards ?
Foxholer
Blackballed
Surely that is due to not hitting the ball out of the screws. Miss hits generally come up short, unless it is a topped wedge.
Who the heck stated flying the green by 20 yards!
As I understand it, it's... How far is it to the back of the green? What club will go that far when i hit it perfectly? That's the club to use then! If I hit it perfectly, I'm at the back of the green; if I hit it slightly less than perfectly; I'm pin high; if I hit it a little poorly, I'm still on the Green - happy days!
I can't see what all the fuss is about! It's simple common-sense - something most Golfers (me included) leave in their normal shoes!
Why not?
garyinderry
Ryder Cup Winner
Catch that extra club approach thin and you are well out the back.
Where people mis-club and come up short, the same can happen out the other end. Fail to feel that wee breeze or the green below you and you are out the back.
How can someone put a ball consistantly in a 25foot window but fail to land it within 10yards either side of target.
Know how far you hit each club and you wont have to allow for this.
Where people mis-club and come up short, the same can happen out the other end. Fail to feel that wee breeze or the green below you and you are out the back.
How can someone put a ball consistantly in a 25foot window but fail to land it within 10yards either side of target.
Know how far you hit each club and you wont have to allow for this.
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Deleted member 15344
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I remember a pro saying once that the most commonly hit shot for an AM is normally the "fat" so maybe thats what aiming behind the pin is trying to compensate for ?
But would have thought the better advice would be to hit the club that will get you there and hit it smoothly as opposed to hitting a club less and trying to "smack the spots" of the ball ?
G_Mulligan
Tour Rookie
I've read through it and the other one, but I'll be honest I've forgotten half of what I've read. I stand by my opinion that it's hocus pocus though. Thinking positively and making correct decisions on the course ain't difficult, executing the shot can be and that's physical, not mental.
Like I say though, if you're happy to do it and it works for you, go for it. Who am I to say your wrong.
When under even moderate pressure making good decisions can suddenly go out of the window. Having a simple reliable technique for recognising those situations and re-focusing the mind to make good decisions can be hugely beneficial. Every shot, actually every physical action you will ever make starts in the mind so executing the shot is reliant on a good mental processes. Poor thinking = poor actions and there is no getting away from that.
I am finding it quite amusing that a few people have said this kind of thinking clutters the mind and makes for poor golf and yet are picking apart in minute detail one very simple technique. You are making it as complicated as it possibly can be, just go out and give it a try. Don't over think it, don't over analyse every possible situation before they happen. Just go out and give it a go.
Hacker Khan
Yurt Dwelling, Yoghurt Knitter
Correct. When most golfers say they hit their 7 iron 150 yards what they really mean is that if they middle it out of the screws it will go 150 yards. Very occasionally they may get 155 out of it, but a lot more often they get less than 150. So aiming at the back if the back of the green is 150/155 yards away means that there is a much higher chance that their ball will still be on the green and have a chance of going in the hole or being close. And for the 10% of the time the flag is a yard from the back of the green or the green slopes downhill after the flag or there is a lake at the back of the green then use an 8 iron.
And as I and others have stated, this hitting to the back is 1 little bit of one section in the book. It may well be true that this is not a problem for you, so if not then don't worry about it but get some help in other areas.
richart
Major Champion
I was talking about average golfers, not great ball strikers like you.
A 20 handicapper generally comes up short due to miss hits , not due to taking the wrong club. Most golfers with a gps know the exact distance to the pin, and also how far they hit there clubs. Unfortunately say with a 5 iron they do not flush it every time. Should they play for the miss hit or the flushed one ? I personally think you are better being half a club short, rather than half a club long. Look at the problems Pro's get into with a flyer. Long is not generally good on a golf course, well definitely not on mine. I can putt from 20 yards short of our greens, but roll off the back, and it will be a devil of a chip often out of heather.You need to take into account the dangers on a course, rather than just club up all the time.
Khamelion
Tour Winner
I was talking about average golfers, not great ball strikers like you.
You need to take into account the dangers on a course, rather than just club up all the time.
It can depend on the course you are playing, the courses the pros play generally have the flag tucked away somewhere where going long is not really an option, but then most pros can take a nice divot and either check the ball or get it to spin back.
Us poor novice and amateur hackers will generally come up short, as posted somewhere above, will be due to poor form or vanity, so the idea for aiming for the back of the green is a good choice. What people are forgetting is that the 8 of us who went to the Grove have said that hitting he back of the green is a 80% to 95% option not 100% as there will be occasions where going for the back will just not be viable.
Also people are getting hung up and picking fault with one area of many from the book, the best thing I can suggest is that for a fiver people buy the book and then make judgement on what they read rather than dismiss as bunkum what they have read in this thread.
need_my_wedge
Has Now Found His Wedgie
One thought to add to this thread, the book also carries the co-author Dennis Pugh, a fairly well respected coach in the professional game. So whilst the thoughts discussed so far may not resonate with everyone, having Dennis' backing should add a level of credibility to the ideas.
Well said but where is the fun for all the nasayers on here in that? In my own opinion, I think everyone on the day has now posted what they got out of the initial process. Whether people decide to try any of these for themselves, especially aiming for the back (bet a few will whether or not they admit it on here) is down to them. I know I'll be looking form MPA all the way round and going longer. I need to read about letting myself dwell on stuff tonight as its a comp tomorrow and don't want that one bad shot to be a catalyst. Othe rthan that like everything else I'm doing, I'm happy to plough my own furrow, take the stuff I need from the book and see where it takes me
richart
Major Champion
Jack Nicklaus aimed for the middle of a green. If the flag was on the right he would try and fade it in, and on the left draw it in. Gave him the biggest margin of error.
OK not many can do that, but the idea of aiming for the middle of the green seems to me a good idea. If you are a little long you will be on the back, little short front, and a bit of margin either side. Don't short side yourself. If you aim for the back of the green, you are fine if you hit it perfect distance, and a bit short, but a bit long and you are not putting. Two out of three doesn't seem that good to me.
OK not many can do that, but the idea of aiming for the middle of the green seems to me a good idea. If you are a little long you will be on the back, little short front, and a bit of margin either side. Don't short side yourself. If you aim for the back of the green, you are fine if you hit it perfect distance, and a bit short, but a bit long and you are not putting. Two out of three doesn't seem that good to me.
User20205
Money List Winner
I'm normally first in the queue to rubbish this kind of thing
but I feel strangely drawn to this, probably because I'm chopping it around at the moment Is it only available on amazon/kindle? Can I get it in proper book form or on my iPad??
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