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c1973 said:
So is 4 yards 35 inches short better than 5 yards long?:confused:

I'm sorry, but I'm not buying into this. You hit a bad shot, just forget it and think about the next one.
What's the point in clutering your mind with "oh that was a C", "I'll get an A next time". Is the game not tricky enough without all that floating about your mind.

If I couldn't tell myself my next shot is going to be a belter without the help of a book I'd pack the game in tbh.

Nothing against anyone trying to peddle their wares, more power to them, but it seems from what I have read so far that folks would be buying a book for the sake of buying it. Telling you to think about your club choice and where to aim isn't exactly a new way of thinking to me, more like common sense.
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As written previously in this thread and in the other one, trying to explain will be hard enough without actually looking at the book, trying to explain to sceptics will be damn near impossible as their minds are already made up and they are not prepared to do something different.

The C, I, M & W bit is a way to get you to remember good shots so that you stay in MPA and remain focused during your round. No one is suggesting it is a quick fix, but over time it will help. The first day you sat in a car, wasn't the day you passed you test, you had to go through a learning process, this is the same, it is about teaching you a new way to think about golf.
 
SaintHacker said:
Genuine question. Have you read through the thread or just jumped on the end of it?
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I've read through it and the other one, but I'll be honest I've forgotten half of what I've read. I stand by my opinion that it's hocus pocus though. Thinking positively and making correct decisions on the course ain't difficult, executing the shot can be and that's physical, not mental.

Like I say though, if you're happy to do it and it works for you, go for it. Who am I to say your wrong. :)
 
PhilTheFragger said:
LP you are focusing on one particular point from a 124 page book

We were given only 2 tactical practical things to try ( aim for back of green 80% and long is better than short in most cases) everything else was to do with generating a positive mindset, maintaining that mindset and recognising when it starts to slip and how to recover,

There are 7 key areas in the book which will help all golfers, some will help at once, others will take a bit longer.

it isnt something we can explain in a snapshot, so either read the book or wait for the magazine feature which will have more info, but please dont pedantically diss something you havnt seen or tried.
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And this point is what I'm posting in regards - I don't think long is better at all and certainly not in most cases - especially on the courses I seem to play

I thought a lot greens slopped from back to front on a lot of courses ?
 
I'm not going to get drawn in to a detailed discussion on one point of a book you havnt read and therefore don't know the context
You've had your say, now let's move on
 
Liverpoolphil said:
And this point is what I'm posting in regards - I don't think long is better at all and certainly not in most cases - especially on the courses I seem to play

I thought a lot greens slopped from back to front on a lot of courses ?
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My home course the greens are fairly level, albeit with the odd undulation, the grove was the same, level greens with undulations, I can't recall a course where the green has had a distinct back to front slope. Obviously all courses are different and some will and some won't have sloping greens.

But that written and in context with the NGT shorties topic, 80% to 95% of the time it would be better to club up to be long then it is to leave yourself short. For most of us average golfers hitting 150yds dot on with a 7 iron isn't always going to happen, yes you may flush it every now and then, but for most it will be an average hit that will drop short, so why not club up and if you flush the 6 iron and it goes long, kudos, you've gone past the flag and are on the green, you if hit it normally, you drop the ball on the green, hey you're still putting and you've missed the hazards at the front.

But as PTF writes above, trying to explain the context of only one part of a very good book, to someone who is reluctant to read the book is going to be difficult. Should you decide to look at the book this is the section we're covering stop shorties 98-100 103 part of CLEAR-HEADED.
 
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CMAC said:
A poll to see how many times you have gone over the back off the green in your last 4 rounds would be useful.

My fig would prob be one!

Famous pro maybe Hunter Mahan (cant remember but I posted awhile back) said take the club that gets you to the back of the green and swing easier, result, more pin high shots.
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Mine would be 2 - except for a thin! And 1 of those was because I didn't believe the distance!

Tom Watson was an advocate of adding 10% to the actual distance and hitting a relaxed shot!
Also of trying to land the ball on the top of the flagstick and, surprise, surprise - trying to hit the ball to the back of the green!
http://www.golfdigest.com/golf-instruction/mental-game/gd0608watson

But I hope the discussion at The Grove didn't go on like this self-evident (to me) 'rule' has!
 
Foxholer said:
Mine would be 2 - except for a thin! And 1 of those was because I didn't believe the distance!

Tom Watson was an advocate of adding 10% to the actual distance and hitting a relaxed shot!
Also of trying to land the ball on the top of the flagstick and, surprise, surprise - trying to hit the ball to the back of the green!
http://www.golfdigest.com/golf-instruction/mental-game/gd0608watson

But I hope the discussion at The Grove didn't go on like this self-evident (to me) 'rule' has!
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He also said "sometimes thinking too much can destroy your momentum".:whistle:
 
c1973 said:
He also said "sometimes thinking too much can destroy your momentum".:whistle:
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That was the cause of the thin!

It all depends on what the thinking is - and it should always be framed positively, not negatively!

I could relate a long, and probably boring, story about Positive Oriented Thinking from a Tennis Player I once 'housed' (billeted) for a tournament. It certainly worked for her (Katrina Adams) - she got to World #5 in Doubles (Wimbledon Semi Finalist) - and she would have won that tournament if she hadn't put her back out in the warm-up for the Final.
 
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Foxholer said:
That was the cause of the thin!

It all depends on what the thinking is - and it should always be framed positively, not negatively!

I could relate a long, and probably boring, story about Positive Oriented Thinking from a Tennis Player I once 'housed' (billeted) for a tournament. It certainly worked for her (Katrina Adams) - she got to World #5 in Doubles (Wimbledon Semi Finalist) - and she would have won that tournament if she hadn't put her back out in the warm-up for the Final.
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Please do. :)

It's funny how trying to keep things simple usually ends up anything but simple. :)
 
HomerJSimpson said:
To say being positive and have good thoughts is too simplistic as I think all those that attended would agree. It has more to do with changing thought patterns and adopting better coping mechanisms for when things aren't going to plan as well as the areas already covered by others.
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Yes totally agree.
 
c1973 said:
So is 4 yards 35 inches short better than 5 yards long?:confused:

I'm sorry, but I'm not buying into this. You hit a bad shot, just forget it and think about the next one.
What's the point in clutering your mind with "oh that was a C", "I'll get an A next time". Is the game not tricky enough without all that floating about your mind.

If I couldn't tell myself my next shot is going to be a belter without the help of a book I'd pack the game in tbh.

Nothing against anyone trying to peddle their wares, more power to them, but it seems from what I have read so far that folks would be buying a book for the sake of buying it. Telling you to think about your club choice and where to aim isn't exactly a new way of thinking to me, more like common sense.
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And it's a well-known fact that all golfers apply common-sense 100% on every shot...
 
Liverpoolphil said:
And this point is what I'm posting in regards - I don't think long is better at all and certainly not in most cases - especially on the courses I seem to play

I thought a lot greens slopped from back to front on a lot of courses ?
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Go out on your next round and observe how many shots most golfers waste through being short of the pin or indeed green compared to how many they waste from being pin-high or beyond.

And let's not get too carried away by how many greens slope from back to front and how steeply - we're not generally talking about ski-runs...
 
JezzE said:
Go out on your next round and observe how many shot most golfers waste through being short of the pin or indeed green compared to how many they waste from being pin-high or beyond.

And let's not get too carried away by how many greens slope from back to front and how steeply - we're not generally talking about ski-runs...
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Jezz - is John a qualified psycologist ? Trying to find some info on him on the web ?

Just see n there is something on slow play which has massively perked up my interest - did he talk about that ?
 
Liverpoolphil said:
Edited my post - did he talk about the slow play aspect ?

Sorry another edit - does he play golf ?
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He did talk about the slow play aspect in passing, with one of the questions that everyone rated themselves on being how well or otherwise you managed the frustrations of slow play and other distractions.

And yes, he does play, off single figures I believe
 
JezzE said:
He did talk about the slow play aspect in passing, with one of the questions that everyone rated themselves on being how well or otherwise you managed the frustrations of slow play and other distractions.

And yes, he does play, off single figures I believe
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Ok cheers - i have purchased the book and will give it a read :thup:
 
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