New Golf Thinking opportunity - the lucky 8 are....

Hacker Khan said:
Totally agree. The book is more than just thinking positive thoughts, but it focusses on specific techniques/ways to apply these and other principals to the game of golf, without getting too deep or heavy. And you can just dip in or out of the specific areas you most struggle with.

Come on, try it out, it's only the price of 1.5 Pro V1s.;)
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Liverpoolphil said:
I'll give it a miss mate

Surprising as it may seem - I'm a pretty simple guy when it comes to golf

I just hit the ball and then enjoy the company - it's nothing worth worrying about or thinking too much and the score at the end is immaterial
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There are the sceptics out there who are quite willing to debunk the 'New Thinking' being written about with out so much as looking at the book. From information I've been given during the session we covered 17 pages of a 123 page ebook and trying to do justice to what we learned in a few words is pretty difficult.

To quote John "This project is meant to trigger NEW thinking. But, for example, a sceptic could reduce every new piece of food for thought we had on " shorties"--which should generate new action-- to "never-up never -in" which wont generate new thoughts or new action."

I hope my write up in the other thread has given the forum an idea of what we learned and what the book is about. To quote John again, "the ebook has been constructed not as a standard book, but as a series of 123 charts/graphics..designed not to be read cover to cover, but to be scanned , then focus on your priorities; or go from a fault straight through to a fix."
 
PhilTheFragger said:
The same thing is applied to chips, say you have a 20 yard chip to the pin and you leave it 5 yards short, you have actually missed the target area by just under 10 yards, on the basis that 4 yards 35 inches past is better than , 5 yards short.

and you have given it a chance to go in and you should have noted how the ball reacted as it went past, giving you a read for the return

What it is doing is subconsciously increasing the target area in your head thus making it easier to hit .
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Not convinced by this.
Your target isn't 5 yards past the hole
If you leave a 20 yard chip 5 yards short then you miss by 5 yds....has to be better than saying you're missing by 10 doesn't' it? Or are you aiming to put it nearly 5 yards past..?
Any 20 yard chip that is going to end up nearly 5 yards past the hole hasn't got a cat in Hell's chance of going in unless it smacks the pin squad and drops.
And the read you get from a ball going 15 feet past is useless. The ball is going too fast past the hole to give you any idea of break.
 
Imurg said:
Not convinced by this.
Your target isn't 5 yards past the hole
If you leave a 20 yard chip 5 yards short then you miss by 5 yds....has to be better than saying you're missing by 10 doesn't' it? Or are you aiming to put it nearly 5 yards past..?
Any 20 yard chip that is going to end up nearly 5 yards past the hole hasn't got a cat in Hell's chance of going in unless it smacks the pin squad and drops.
And the read you get from a ball going 15 feet past is useless. The ball is going too fast past the hole to give you any idea of break.
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Ah young padawan, the idea is that you eliminate shorties and get yourself in the mindset that the ball is going where you want it to

4 yards 35 inches past is better than 5 yards short

Im afraid you are suffering from "Old Golf Thinking" you stick in the mud :)
 
fundy said:
Back of the green yardage surely very course dependent, theres only 2 holes on our course where I would prefer to miss long rather than short and with the rough round the greens growing pretty severe already theres several holes where you've next to no chance if you're past the pin
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I agree. I can't think of one hole on our course you would want to be long. Most greens slope from back to front, so if you are long and not in the rubbish, you will have a downhill chip, often needing to carry a small bank. I always aim for the middle of the green, and would rather have a long uphill putt, than a short downhill chip. Most older courses have bunkers to the side of the greens with room to run a shot between. Few have bunkers long, instead a lot have jungle behind. Course designers liked to put greens tight into the trees, heather etc. New courses with water are of course different, with trouble short, but I try and avoid those ones.:)
 
PhilTheFragger said:
Ah young padawan, the idea is that you eliminate shorties and get yourself in the mindset that the ball is going where you want it to

4 yards 35 inches past is better than 5 yards short

Im afraid you are suffering from "Old Golf Thinking" you stick in the mud :)
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Unless going past leaves you a downhill putt and being short leaves you an uphill putt - I prefer to be putting 5 yards uphill than 4 yards downhill

Being short isn't always a bad thing
 
PhilTheFragger said:
The links to download are here
www.newgolfthinking.com
amazon georiot.co/EqV (http://georiot.co/EqV)
apple georiot.co/10t2 (http://georiot.co/10t2)

The books cost a fiver and there will be more information in "The Open" edition of the magazine where there will be coverage of our day and more information on the contents of the book itself
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Should you buy the book, some of the topics covered in this thread and my thread are covered by these sections:-

  • Mindsets pages 65, 66..part of CAN-DO
  • Mental Position A , 70..part of CAN-DO
  • Self fulfilling circle 67-69 part of CAN-DO
  • Untry 83 part of RESULTS-DRIVEN
  • Result/story 82 part of RESULTS-DRIVEN
  • stop shorties 98-100 103 part of CLEAR-HEADED
  • best shot at a time 49,50 part of RISE-TO_OCCASION
  • needle eye 59 part of RISE-TO_OCCASION
  • points on table 97, 111 Part of FRESHEN-UP
 
Liverpoolphil said:
Unless going past leaves you a downhill putt and being short leaves you an uphill putt - I prefer to be putting 5 yards uphill than 4 yards downhill

Being short isn't always a bad thing
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doh. well obviously , thats why he said that in 80% of occasions past is better than short. the other 20% are covered by where its not a good idea to be long.

There are always exceptions to every rule
 
PhilTheFragger said:
doh. well obviously , thats why he said that in 80% of occasions past is better than short. the other 20% are covered by where its not a good idea to be long.

There are always exceptions to every rule
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Well again if you go past the hole a lot of the holes at our place you will be faced with a downhill putt - over 50% plus a few more dependant on pin positions

Dukes also has a lot of greens sloping from back to front - as does Marquess - Duchess is a bit more even

In fact thinking about it a lot of clubs have a lot of greens sloping back to front.

So you will be faced most of the time with downhill putts if you go past the flag.

80% seems far to high
 
So is 4 yards 35 inches short better than 5 yards long?:confused:

I'm sorry, but I'm not buying into this. You hit a bad shot, just forget it and think about the next one.
What's the point in clutering your mind with "oh that was a C", "I'll get an A next time". Is the game not tricky enough without all that floating about your mind.

If I couldn't tell myself my next shot is going to be a belter without the help of a book I'd pack the game in tbh.

Nothing against anyone trying to peddle their wares, more power to them, but it seems from what I have read so far that folks would be buying a book for the sake of buying it. Telling you to think about your club choice and where to aim isn't exactly a new way of thinking to me, more like common sense.
 
c1973 said:
So is 4 yards 35 inches short better than 5 yards long?:confused:

I'm sorry, but I'm not buying into this. You hit a bad shot, just forget it and think about the next one.
What's the point in clutering your mind with "oh that was a C", "I'll get an A next time". Is the game not tricky enough without all that floating about your mind.

If I couldn't tell myself my next shot is going to be a belter without the help of a book I'd pack the game in tbh.

Nothing against anyone trying to peddle their wares, more power to them, but it seems from what I have read so far that folks would be buying a book for the sake of buying it. Telling you to think about your club choice and where to aim isn't exactly a new way of thinking to me, more like common sense.
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Genuine question. Have you read through the thread or just jumped on the end of it?
 
Liverpoolphil said:
Well again if you go past the hole a lot of the holes at our place you will be faced with a downhill putt - over 50% plus a few more dependant on pin positions

Dukes also has a lot of greens sloping from back to front - as does Marquess - Duchess is a bit more even

In fact thinking about it a lot of clubs have a lot of greens sloping back to front.

So you will be faced most of the time with downhill putts if you go past the flag.

80% seems far to high
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LP you are focusing on one particular point from a 124 page book

We were given only 2 tactical practical things to try ( aim for back of green 80% and long is better than short in most cases) everything else was to do with generating a positive mindset, maintaining that mindset and recognising when it starts to slip and how to recover,

There are 7 key areas in the book which will help all golfers, some will help at once, others will take a bit longer.

it isnt something we can explain in a snapshot, so either read the book or wait for the magazine feature which will have more info, but please dont pedantically diss something you havnt seen or tried.
 
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