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therod said:
I'm normally first in the queue to rubbish this kind of thing:confused: but I feel strangely drawn to this, probably because I'm chopping it around at the moment :o

Is it only available on amazon/kindle? Can I get it in proper book form or on my iPad??
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Yup downloaded from iBooks to my iPad.
 
The part about 'leaving shorties' as the most common miss on approach shots, is this quantifiable at all? I'm not having a pop here, it's just that my misses tend to be varied. I'll concede that going through the green is extremely rare, but I do miss just as many to the side.

My point is, if like me, you miss to the side just as often as being short then aiming at the back isn't going to solve that.

If it's not really backed up statistically (that most people leave it short) then is it not possible you are actually gaining an additional worry that wasn't there in the first place?
And should the advice not be 'learn your genuine yardages' and not 'aim to the back'.

NB: I'm genuinely not having a go at anyone trying this out, I'm a great believer in doing what works for you and would encourage people to think that way too. :thup: I'm just struggling to square what I have read (on here and the external site) with my own thoughts on the subjects mentioned.

Also, I don't consider myself to be a naysayer just because I, A) disagree with or B) don't quite grasp other opinions.
 
therod said:
I'm normally first in the queue to rubbish this kind of thing:confused: but I feel strangely drawn to this, probably because I'm chopping it around at the moment :o

Is it only available on amazon/kindle? Can I get it in proper book form or on my iPad??
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I downloaded it onto my Kindle yesterday. Its not the easiest to read on there but you soon get the hang.

I got into this sort of stuff many years ago, mid 80's I think, when reading a series of articles by Alan Fine in either GM or GW. There's not a lot new in what he proposes, and I do think some of what he writes is a little wooly, but I do like the structure he brings to it.
 
Hobbit said:
I downloaded it onto my Kindle yesterday. Its not the easiest to read on there but you soon get the hang.

I got into this sort of stuff many years ago, mid 80's I think, when reading a series of articles by Alan Fine in either GM or GW. There's not a lot new in what he proposes, and I do think some of what he writes is a little wooly, but I do like the structure he brings to it.
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Khamelion said:
Yup downloaded from iBooks to my iPad.
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Rooter said:
Download the ibooks app, and you can buy it from apple bookstore. I have it on my iphone so i can read on the train etc.
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Cheers gents:thup:

I've downloaded a sample, I'm not spending £5.49 on the recommendation from some of the basket cases on here :D

I will digest, and report back....out:D
 
therod said:
Cheers gents:thup:

I've downloaded a sample, I'm not spending £5.49 on the recommendation from some of the basket cases on here :D

I will digest, and report back....out:D
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With all due respect Rod, I think that this is a beginners course.. You may need the advanced edition, or maybe the Phd accompaniment. :whistle:
 
bluewolf said:
With all due respect Rod, I think that this is a beginners course.. You may need the advanced edition, or maybe the Phd accompaniment. :whistle:
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Nah.....he'll be fine with the beginners version ;)
 
bluewolf said:
With all due respect Rod, I think that this is a beginners course.. You may need the advanced edition, or maybe the Phd accompaniment. :whistle:
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drive4show said:
Nah.....he'll be fine with the beginners version ;)
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Right I've read the contents, already I'm viewing the world in a different way, the colours seem more vivid and bright. This book is amazing!!!

Either that or the mushroom omelette I had for lunch wasn't as described !!:o
 
richart said:
If you watch the Pros, how many times do they go over a green and struggle to get down in two. A lot more than when they miss short I bet. A lot of courses don't have bunkers at the back, so you tend to finish in thick grass or worse.

I am not talking about amateurs that tend to miss hit most shots and come up short, but players that hit the ball well. Would a 15 handicapper be better off putting from 30 feet short of the pin, or chipping from 5 yards over the back of a green. I know which I would rather do at my Club, and a lot of courses I have played over the years. Just my opinion of course.
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As others have said, this is only one element of it all, but from my experience of golf far more golfers' well-struck shots finish short of the flag than long...
 
Foxholer said:
Who the heck stated flying the green by 20 yards!

As I understand it, it's... How far is it to the back of the green? What club will go that far when i hit it perfectly? That's the club to use then! If I hit it perfectly, I'm at the back of the green; if I hit it slightly less than perfectly; I'm pin high; if I hit it a little poorly, I'm still on the Green - happy days!

I can't see what all the fuss is about! It's simple common-sense - something most Golfers (me included) leave in their normal shoes!
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Perectly summed up - no-one ever suggested taking the club that sends you 20 yards through the back...
 
richart said:
Surely that is due to not hitting the ball out of the screws. Miss hits generally come up short, unless it is a topped wedge.:eek: Should you play a club that when you don't quite catch it finishes pin high, but when you cream it you fly the green by 20 yards ?
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As a little experiment this weekend, why don't you count the number of shots that your playing partners seemingly strike well which finish short of the flag and the number that finish long? I would be absolutely amazed if the former didn't outscore the latter by some margin unless you play with a very different breed of golfer to the ones I've played with for the last 30 or so years...
 
JezzE said:
As a little experiment this weekend, why don't you count the number of shots that your playing partners seemingly strike well which finish short of the flag and the number that finish long? I would be absolutely amazed if the former didn't outscore the latter by some margin unless you play with a very different breed of golfer to the ones I've played with for the last 30 or so years...
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Oh, and before anyone accuses me of being judgmental of others, I will happily put my hand up and say I miss considerably more shots short than long... :)
 
need_my_wedge said:
One thought to add to this thread, the book also carries the co-author Dennis Pugh, a fairly well respected coach in the professional game. So whilst the thoughts discussed so far may not resonate with everyone, having Dennis' backing should add a level of credibility to the ideas.
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That'll probably mean he's taking a 'healthy whack' out of takings for reviewing it and maybe changing a word or two!

DP makes excellent commercial use of his name and reputation! Something I don't begrudge him at all!
 
JezzE said:
This is just not true...
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:confused: That is one of the strangest comments I have read on here.

So a 20 handicapper generally hits the ball perfectly towards a green , but just under clubs most of the time. Couldn't be that they have the right club and just don't hit it that well. I tend to miss greens, come up short through a poor strike rather than taking the wrong club, but I must be a one off.:mmm:
 
richart said:
:confused: That is one of the strangest comments I have read on here.

So a 20 handicapper generally hits the ball perfectly towards a green , but just under clubs most of the time. Couldn't be that they have the right club and just don't hit it that well. I tend to miss greens, come up short through a poor strike rather than taking the wrong club, but I must be a one off.:mmm:
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You appear to be completely misinterpreting what I said... don't recall saying high handicappers generally hit the ball perfectly :mmm: I'm not saying it's all of one and none of other as it's a combination of the two, but I would say most high handicappers I play with miss at least as many greens short through ambitious clubbing as through poor striking
 
JezzE said:
You appear to be completely misinterpreting what I said... don't recall saying high handicappers generally hit the ball perfectly :mmm: I'm not saying it's all of one and none of other as it's a combination of the two, but I would say most high handicappers I play with miss at least as many greens short through ambitious clubbing as through poor striking
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No not misinterpreting at all. You obviously think most shots by high handicappers are left short by under clubbing and I think it is by miss hitting. We a must play with different types of high handicappers.;)
 
richart said:
No not misinterpreting at all. You obviously think most shots by high handicappers are left short by under clubbing and I think it is by miss hitting. We a must play with different types of high handicappers.;)
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Misinterpreting bit was more to do with your comments about high handicappers generally hitting the ball perfectly... Could you lend me one of your high-handicappers for my next fourball comp by the way so we don't give too many holes away needlessly with perfect strikes that come up a club or two short ;)
 
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