More changes for the Road Hole??

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This is one I would welcome....I remember standing in it around 1990 and it was a frightening hole in the ground but I stood in it again last year I thought to myself that I would fancy my chances of up and downing it more times than not.


Open Championship organisers, the R&A, orignally took a lot of stick from some players and golf traditionalists for adding a new tee to the 17th hole at The Old Course.

But the R&A felt the hole wasn't tough enough to handle the new technological equipment the players were using so stretched the hole to a 495-yard par-4 to put more emphasis on the length and accuracy of the tee shot. They were proved correct and indeed only 38 per-cent of players hit the green in two shots.

Now, it seems, they are considering other changes to the contours of the hole to bring the Road Hole bunker more into play in time for the next Open Championship the course hosts - probably in 2015.


Following a de-brief among the championship committee and representatives of the custodians of the course - the St Andrews Links Trust - R&A Chief Executive Peter Dawson said the intent had been to bring the road behind the green back into play.



And among the incidents that will long live in the memory was Miguel Angel Jimenez ricochetting his shot purposely on to the wall and back onto the green.

“I think the new 17th tee has been a great success in terms of stiffening the test of that hole,” Dawson said. “I said at the beginning of the week, we were hoping that the road might come more back into play, and by gosh, it did. We had far more people on the road this year through the back of the hole than I’ve seen at previous Opens in recent times. To that degree we are very pleased with the hole.”

There are no plans to make the Old Course any longer but the focus of any possible alterations is likely to be on the slopes on and around the green.


"We would like to see more balls go in the Road Bunker," said Dawson. "It's lost its ball-gathering capabilities."


Compared to the past, the bunker face is no longer the vertical wall that it once was and has an incline of 67 degrees, about 3 or 4 degrees less severe than previous years."


"We wanted to give players some sort of chance to get out rather than no chance," Dawson explained
 
Why make it harder if only 38% of players hit it in 2 ? What figure will they be happy with ? Might as well put a windmill on it and make them putt into a clowns mouth
 
Why change an iconic hole even further i personally don't get,do they feel have to be doing something to the course to keep people happy.I for one wouldn't change that just my thoughts or is because i made a 4 on it by chipping over the bunker :D
 
Why make it harder if only 38% of players hit it in 2 ? What figure will they be happy with ? Might as well put a windmill on it and make them putt into a clowns mouth

Wow! You completely read my mind!!




....what am I thinking now?? :o
 
Why make it harder if only 38% of players hit it in 2 ? What figure will they be happy with ? Might as well put a windmill on it and make them putt into a clowns mouth

Wow! You completely read my mind!!




....what am I thinking now?? :o

Erm, you're thinking...

I should really take these clothes off before the Wife and kids come home. Seeing me dressed like Pat Butcher will scar the kids for life!

Am I right??? :o
 
I think you can go too far. Lengthening the hole to make less than half the field able to hit the green in regulation would seem to have done the trick. Why mess with an iconic feature like the bunker itself which is still pretty penal if you go in it
 
I think you can go too far. Lengthening the hole to make less than half the field able to hit the green in regulation would seem to have done the trick. Why mess with an iconic feature like the bunker itself which is still pretty penal if you go in it

That's the point, though. From the text it would appear that the R&A reckon that balls no longer roll into the bunker as they once did.

It's still penal but the undulations need tinkering with so that balls roll into it rather than miss it.

Or have I miss read the text? :D
 
I remember (I think) seeing a ball stop on the downslope into the bunker at the Dunhill Links so can understand where they are going with this.

The gathering slopes have obviously eroded to an extent over the years, reinstating the slopes would be no bad thing. Leave the face as it is though, don't like to see players left with no shot at all.
 
Why make it harder if only 38% of players hit it in 2 ? What figure will they be happy with ? Might as well put a windmill on it and make them putt into a clowns mouth

Wow! You completely read my mind!!




....what am I thinking now?? :o

I can't reveal your current thoughts as A) this is a family forum and B) and pretty sure it's illegal in some countries
 
Errrr,they won't be messing with it ,they will be restoring the bunker to how it was....it was a fearsome bunker and that is how it's reputation was made but in the last few years after many face rebuilds it has lost it's fearsomeness.

I am sure GCD will confirm that it isn't my imagination that makes me think that it isn't the tough bunker it once was.
 
what people tend to forget is that the hole was set up differently for the open, the rough down left side of fairway was left alone for nearly 2 years and the bunker sand was raked up the face so the players regardless of how there ball fell in it ,always had a uphill lie making it easier 2 play out of..the rough has now been cut down and the bunker sand reduced , so it`s a different beast from what the pro`s play ..i think if u asked any of the pro`s that week they would say short right was best rather than long ! that`s probably why greens hit was low for tour standards...if it ain`t broke -don`t fix it! just ask steve1969 - one of the best up-in down`s for par iv`e seen from a 11 h`cap ,sheer class ... gcd ;)
 
Errrr,they won't be messing with it ,they will be restoring the bunker to how it was....it was a fearsome bunker and that is how it's reputation was made but in the last few years after many face rebuilds it has lost it's fearsomeness.

I am sure GCD will confirm that it isn't my imagination that makes me think that it isn't the tough bunker it once was.

Nowhere near as fearsome as it used to be. Remember the sands of Nakijima ? (or however you spell his name)
 
what people tend to forget is that the hole was set up differently for the open, the rough down left side of fairway was left alone for nearly 2 years and the bunker sand was raked up the face so the players regardless of how there ball fell in it ,always had a uphill lie making it easier 2 play out of..the rough has now been cut down and the bunker sand reduced , so it`s a different beast from what the pro`s play ..i think if u asked any of the pro`s that week they would say short right was best rather than long ! that`s probably why greens hit was low for tour standards...if it ain`t broke -don`t fix it! just ask steve1969 - one of the best up-in down`s for par iv`e seen from a 11 h`cap ,sheer class ... gcd ;)

If it was me I would take the some of the rough away from the left side and bring in the right, encourage more players to go down that route and you’ll have more having to play in the bunker direction. Any player who went into the rough on the left could only play out with no chance to attack the green, which is fine and you could say they shouldn’t be there. But, if the whole fairway was re-cut more down the left it would make the second shot much more demanding and more of a test. From what I seen a lot of the bogies were coming from the left rough, so lets make it more playable yet tougher.....if you know what I mean.
 
From what I seen a lot of the bogies were coming from the left rough, so lets make it more playable yet tougher.....if you know what I mean.

I understand this and agree. Players going left were not able to go for the green due to the rough. Fair enough, but if they want to see more players take it over the bunker, your suggestion makes sense.
 
So from the last 2 opens they lengthened the already hardest hole to make it harder and now want to toughen it up even more.... Surely they should be toughening up other holes? Just my tuppence worth. Bunker movement being the best bet as technology has moved landing areas for the majority.
 
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