mattyb0y
Head Pro
One word .... Amazin tht 2nd holed out brill
Mickleson on 13 n 14
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RGDave
Money List Winner
Luck. Nothing more. 
Owen_Thomas_14
Journeyman Pro
Not bad 
pokerjoke
Money List Winner
Great eagles but those american fans just get on your tits.
RichardC
Tour Rookie
As Peter Aliss said "Spin Control" 
mattyb0y
Head Pro
Hahah yes. Agree if that were a european the fans wudnt have gone as mad! Freddie at it now a fair few eagals 2day
USER1999
Grand Slam Winner
I know we all are aiming to hole our second shots, but to squirt one sideways into the whole is just silly. Not skill, luck.
Imurg
The Grinder Of Pars (Semi Crocked)
He's on fire.
Head-to-head between him and Lee tomorrow.
Head-to-head between him and Lee tomorrow.
Putting_Green_Pro
Q-School Graduate
Not as good as my eagle yesterday
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thecraw
Guest
These fairways would run better then the greens at my bloomin golf course!
Eagles, I don't even know what a birdie feels like these days.
Eagles, I don't even know what a birdie feels like these days.
backwoodsman
Tour Winner
Bit of luck maybe, but you don't put a bloody good shot in close then the lucky spin won't come to anything will it ?
The 14th is one of the hardest greens on the course. With that pin position, to have any chance of a birdie, you have to be really accurate with your second shot.
If he'd been that close to the pin, but the lower side of the hole, he'd have ended up with an impossible 30 yarder.
The fact the shot holed out was luck, yes. But it was still a bloody good shot to a very tight landing area.
Now, the pin position on the final day is normally the easy one near the bottom of the green, giving much more room for error.
And his pitch on the 15th showed exactly how good he was playing over that stretch.
If he'd been that close to the pin, but the lower side of the hole, he'd have ended up with an impossible 30 yarder.
The fact the shot holed out was luck, yes. But it was still a bloody good shot to a very tight landing area.
Now, the pin position on the final day is normally the easy one near the bottom of the green, giving much more room for error.
And his pitch on the 15th showed exactly how good he was playing over that stretch.
Smiffy
Grand Slam Winner
Not as good as my eagle yesterday
320yd drive and a holed 220yd 5 iron into the wind?
toonarmy
Q-School Graduate
It's symptomatic of this forum that when the Masters is led by two Englishman at halfway, there is little comment in here, or that when Mickleson has an outstanding passage of play, it is all luck...
...but if Woods hits a big draw it's the most amazing shot ever seen ever and only Galactacus could have hit it any better and he eats planets etc...
...but if Woods hits a big draw it's the most amazing shot ever seen ever and only Galactacus could have hit it any better and he eats planets etc...
Imurg
The Grinder Of Pars (Semi Crocked)
So Phil decided to pitch the ball 4 feet left of the pin, putting just the right amount of spin on the ball so that when it did pitch it rolled precisely towards the hole at precisely the right speed so it would drop and not hit the flag and rebound - and all from 140 yards or however far it was?
Come on -Get real.
There was a huge slice of luck in PM's eagle on 14. HUGE! Sure it was a good shot but a lucky bonus. Granted the eagle on 13 was good and the near eagle on 15 was equisite but the 14th was pur luck.
Tiger's shot on the 9th on day 1 was a calculated recovery shot after a poor drive. Executed as well as it could be, its a better piece of golf than Phil's. Get over it.
Also plenty of talk about Lee and Ian - maybe you've not been reading the right threads..
Come on -Get real.
There was a huge slice of luck in PM's eagle on 14. HUGE! Sure it was a good shot but a lucky bonus. Granted the eagle on 13 was good and the near eagle on 15 was equisite but the 14th was pur luck.
Tiger's shot on the 9th on day 1 was a calculated recovery shot after a poor drive. Executed as well as it could be, its a better piece of golf than Phil's. Get over it.
Also plenty of talk about Lee and Ian - maybe you've not been reading the right threads..
Perhaps we are holding our breath for the two englsh guys that actually have a chance of winning!
I don't often disagree with you this strongly, but....
BORROX !!
Of course, the ball actually falling down the hole was sheer luck.
But these guys know these greens almost as well as I do
. They know that with that pin position you have to A) get the ball to the back of the green, and B) pitch it to the left of the flag.With the spin that these guys always put on their wedges/short irons from the middle of the fairway they know it's going to work back down towards the flag.
Although the green itself is huge, the area Phil was aiming at was about a 5 yard square, if not smaller.
The skill was in hitting it perfectly, giving the ball every chance of getting close, closer, very close, OMG !!.
Even if it hadn't dropped he'd have had a 5' straight uphill putt for an easy birdie, which was what he was aiming for.
It was a brilliant shot.
Tiger's shot was a stunning recovery, but it wasn't a shot he could reproduce at will, therefore there was an element of hit and hope to it. Look at his shot on the 17th yesterday. Exactly the same shape that he was looking for, but he couldn't get enough turn on it this time.
Tiger's was the luckier of the two shots - he could just as easily have blocked that shot out to the right of the green, or overcooked it into the bunker on the left.
Imurg
The Grinder Of Pars (Semi Crocked)
I don't often disagree with you this strongly, but....
BORROX !!
Of course, the ball actually falling down the hole was sheer luck. But these guys know these greens almost as well as I do
With the spin that these guys always put on their wedges/short irons from the middle of the fairway they know it's going to work back down towards the flag.
Although the green itself is huge, the area Phil was aiming at was about a 5 yard square, if not smaller.
The skill was in hitting it perfectly, giving the ball every chance of getting close, closer, very close, OMG !!.
Even if it hadn't dropped he'd have had a 5' straight uphill putt for an easy birdie, which was what he was aiming for.
It was a brilliant shot.
Tiger's shot was a stunning recovery, but it wasn't a shot he could reproduce at will, therefore there was an element of hit and hope to it. Look at his shot on the 17th yesterday. Exactly the same shape that he was looking for, but he couldn't get enough turn on it this time.
Tiger's was the luckier of the two shots - he could just as easily have blocked that shot out to the right of the green, or overcooked it into the bunker on the left.
But you've agreed with we on the luck part, which is what I'm on about. Phil's approach was great - no doubt at all. But the ball going in was "sheer luck". I would expect PM to get the ball close from 130 out every time - ok maybe not that close but close enough for a good birdie shout.
You wouldn't expect Tiger to produce the sort of shot he played on the 9th every time purely because of its difficulty - hence the fact he didn't do it yesterday. To me that makes the the first day effort even better.
One thing I think we can agree on is that this is boiling up to be the best Masters for years - and not just coz Lee's gonna win it!
HawkeyeMS
Ryder Cup Winner
Blimey you really don't like Tiger do you?
Phil's shot was a great shot, no question. Of course it was lucky that it dropped but then hole in one's are lucky but I hear very few claims of luck when they go in. Was it better than tiger's on thursday? Not in my opinion. Tiger's shot was past off as "not technically difficult" but that being the case, neither was micklesons and of the two, given that tiger had a tree in his way surely must make it a better shot. PM's might have gone in but with equal luck, tiger's could have done the same
As for Westwood, he is playing great golf. Hopefully PM and he keep playing the way they are and we're in for an absolute treat (hopefully westwood comes out on top too)
toonarmy
Q-School Graduate
No, I could cheerfully live without seeing his miserable mooey on the golf course. However, my bigger beef is with sycophants who see greatness where there is none in everything he does. The shot on 9 was not especially hard to do (I've hit controlled big draws around trees on to greens before now, so it can't be that hard) and it had a fortunate outcome. Yes, it was a good shot but it was hardly Seve at his prime and I would expect most of the world's top 50 to be able to pull off similar when required.
Of course, most of the world's top 50 wouldn't have been behind the tree in the first place...
