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MGS...again.
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User20204
Well-known member
Just seen it on Instagram, that is quite extraordinary, Callaway are really gonna be hacked off now, bit like Ratners Jewellery.
inc0gnito
Assistant Pro
I knew it! I knew it had nothing to do with elbow positions and wrist angles. It was the bloody balls all this time!
User20204
Well-known member
Apparently it's just an advert for Titleist 
Hitdaball
Active member
Apparently it's just an advert for Titleist
One swallow does not a summer make but it does drive up traffic to MGS 😆
Anyway you work for Titleist and ICM £5.
More seriously will they be releasing some verifiable data ? Amount of balls checked and amount that are bobbins per manufacturer etc? You would want a pretty big sample I guess to draw some realistic conclusions.
USER1999
Grand Slam Winner
A ball that is out of ballance would have a really strange ball flight. I have played a lot of golf, and have yet to see much going on that is not explained by the strike put on it.
Wilson used to make a ball that was balanced.
You can also buy a gadget that measures out of balance. A guy I know has one, and swears by it. I have no idea why, he plays off 20. How bad would he be if he did not do this.
Wilson used to make a ball that was balanced.
You can also buy a gadget that measures out of balance. A guy I know has one, and swears by it. I have no idea why, he plays off 20. How bad would he be if he did not do this.
Dibby
Assistant Pro
I'm not saying it's an advert for Titleist, just that it came across that way in the initial podcast linked, even if not directly related to advertising dollars, the fact he was at the Titleist facility no doubt has some bearing on what is said.
That said, like most MGS the experiment is unscientific, but claiming to be perfect science. Just as an example the balls they are cutting open are those they have found, so already there is selection bias, in that if a ball has imperfections it is more likely to be lost. If they wanted to be truly fair about it, they would buy multiple boxes of balls from multiple random locations, so that they have multiple batches of balls.
I'm not defending the bad quality seen in the ball cut open, but my issues with their approach are:
1. Is this seen in every ball, every 12 balls, every 100 balls, every 1000 balls etc... Every industry has a defect percentage, how common or rare this is occurrence makes a difference.
2. The oversimplification that owning the whole production chain means quality is higher. You can have good and bad quality practices no matter whether you own the whole supply chain or source parts from vendors.
That said, like most MGS the experiment is unscientific, but claiming to be perfect science. Just as an example the balls they are cutting open are those they have found, so already there is selection bias, in that if a ball has imperfections it is more likely to be lost. If they wanted to be truly fair about it, they would buy multiple boxes of balls from multiple random locations, so that they have multiple batches of balls.
I'm not defending the bad quality seen in the ball cut open, but my issues with their approach are:
1. Is this seen in every ball, every 12 balls, every 100 balls, every 1000 balls etc... Every industry has a defect percentage, how common or rare this is occurrence makes a difference.
2. The oversimplification that owning the whole production chain means quality is higher. You can have good and bad quality practices no matter whether you own the whole supply chain or source parts from vendors.
BTatHome
Tour Winner
They have already said this ball was bought from authorised seller, so not one that is simply found on the course.
Dibby
Assistant Pro
Where do they say that? It's not on the tweet posted, maybe it was in the podcast that was posted, but I only listened to the first part before it got boring, and I tuned out.
Still doesn't account for not testing with multiple batches from multiple sources, unless they did that, and only published this one, because the rest didn't fit the agenda of creating shock. Either way, I stand by their process not being as scientific as they like to make out.
Don't get me wrong, I like the idea of what they are trying to do, just not the actual execution of it.
The idea has merit although not sure the ball manufacturers will see it the same way and there is an unhealthy bias towards Titleist. I think it definitely needs a massive test, at least a thousand minimum to give some form of accurate data
BTatHome
Tour Winner
it was a response to a comment on Instagram.
if you want a bigger sample then golf_ball_guts is a guy that makes ball markers from cut balls (very nice too). He has cut literally thousands of each ball, and has said that pic is probably the worst one he has seen, but they have many that aren't centered.
interestingly enough even the outer cover on that ball looks to have different thicknesses.
User20204
Well-known member
Callaway getting absolutely slaughtered in their latest podcast, ball and clubs 
need_my_wedge
Has Now Found His Wedgie
Bit late to the party, but just watched the vid at the start of the thread. At this juncture, seems like a lot of hooha about nothing, seemingly pushed by Titleist. By that, I mean that it was all conjecture on the chat, they said, he said etc. there was no ingredients in the pudding. I'm not saying they are making it up, but there wasnt really anything to back it up. I will be interested to see what follows, the chromesoft pic is a bit scary.
I want to know about the wall of 12 golf balls all the same, sold by different companies for different prices. Wasn't clear if they were made by Titleist for others, or made by another company and Titleist were just using it for their own marketing.
I want to know about the wall of 12 golf balls all the same, sold by different companies for different prices. Wasn't clear if they were made by Titleist for others, or made by another company and Titleist were just using it for their own marketing.
Jacko_G
Blackballed
Agree a lot of noise at present without any clear facts to back it up.
Titliest do not make balls for others.
There is a ball manufacturer (Korean I think) that lots of firms use who will sell balls to be stamped with whatever name - the Costco KSig is one example.
Orikoru
Tour Winner
Have they still not posted the article then? What's the hold up? All fart but no poo at the moment.
USER1999
Grand Slam Winner
I would be very surprised if Callaway did not make their own balls, in their own factory. They own Spalding, who used to make Top Flite and Strata among others. They own numerous ball patents too. I would also think that their process should be pretty reliable also. It can't be easy to make a ball that badly.
But then every now and then you get a solid chocolate rolo.
But then every now and then you get a solid chocolate rolo.
User20204
Well-known member
Sure I suggested this earlier but maybe try watching their vids/podcasts, afterall if they were talking nonsense they'd have their ass sued all over the place.
Callaway have responded to the MGS report https://callawaypresscenter.com/company-statement/
clubchamp98
Journeyman Pro
That’s all you would expect !
“Don’t belive them belive usâ€
No mention of the off centre core.
Looks like the legal dept wrote it.
At the end of the day golfers play what they like and most wont even hear about this.
We only know because we are on a forum.
