Merge in turn

[theoneandonly]

Why do some find it so hard to get merge in turn right? The dual carriage way in to my town always has people queuing down the left and I and others simply drive down the right and merge in. This often results in flashing lights, horn beeping and wanker signs but I don't care, once your at the merge keep close to the car in front and your fine, it's track position as I like to say to my F1 loving son.

Just use both lanes as intended

 

[Deleted member 29109]

Why do some find it so hard to get merge in turn right? The dual carriage way in to my town always has people queuing down the left and I and others simply drive down the right and merge in. This often results in flashing lights, horn beeping and wanker signs but I don't care, once your at the merge keep close to the car in front and your fine, it's track position as I like to say to my F1 loving son.

Just use both lanes as intended

Because some people are morons.

 

[Billysboots]

Because some people are morons.

…….is the right answer.

 

[SaintHacker]

Oooh , where's my popcorn?

 

[Imurg]

Oooh , where's my popcorn?

You ate it last time this came up...

 

[fundy]

You ate it last time this came up...

and several times since

 

[Foxholer]

Why do some find it so hard to get merge in turn right? The dual carriage way in to my town always has people queuing down the left and I and others simply drive down the right and merge in. This often results in flashing lights, horn beeping and wanker signs but I don't care, once your at the merge keep close to the car in front and your fine, it's track position as I like to say to my F1 loving son.

Just use both lanes as intended

Many years ago I had this issue every evening for about 6 months or more on the A21 from T Wells approaching the M25. I ended up finding a different way home that included a round of golf - and still got home earlier and more relaxed than I would have 'merging'.

 

[SteveJay]

What is this strange concept of "merging".
In such a scenario surely it is the objective to drive as close as possible to the car in front to stop all those impatient gits from cutting in front of you

 

[Jamesbrown]

I posted about this issue the other week. A lorry behind me blocked the lane off so I phoned the water company he worked for and gave his reg in as we was sat in traffic. Folk were mounting the central reservation going round him.

People just don’t like others gaining a perceived advantage.

 

[NearHull]

When we lived in Germany many years ago, ‘zipping‘, aka ‘merge in turn’, was the legal requirement. Given the German trait to obedience, the system worked. The Germans drive in accordance with laws, we drive to a code.

 

[SammmeBee]

Why do some find it so hard to get merge in turn right? The dual carriage way in to my town always has people queuing down the left and I and others simply drive down the right and merge in. This often results in flashing lights, horn beeping and wanker signs but I don't care, once your at the merge keep close to the car in front and your fine, it's track position as I like to say to my F1 loving son.

Just use both lanes as intended

Just queue up like then rest of them!

 

[SocketRocket]

Maybe queueing is cultural here and for many it seems wrong for people to go past them as they're waiting.
Not making a defence just a suggestion as to why it happens.

 

[Foxholer]

Maybe queueing is cultural here and for many it seems wrong for people to go past them as they're waiting.
Not making a defence just a suggestion as to why it happens.

Yes, that's certainly part of it. But so is 'whinge'ing about others getting a perceived 'unfair' advantage! Merge in turn, if practiced correctly, works well, but can certainly cause blood pressure to rise for some.

 

[Slab]

I think the issue is pretty clear. There are two recommendations on merging in turn, one for slow stop/start traffic and one for free flowing traffic

For the former its to use all lanes and merge at the end (at lane closure) For the latter you should merge early to keep traffic flowing.
The problem crops up when traffic was free flowing (so folks have merged early) and ‘something’ happens to quickly turn it into stop/start traffic

That ‘something’ could be caused by a dozen different reasons but typically a ‘Q jumper’ leaving it too late to merge for free flowing traffic, cutting in too close to other vehicles and causing the free flowing lane to concertina and even stop

So now we have one lane with cars all positioned as if it was a free flowing merge but its now stop/start traffic, and the traffic never un-merges back into two lanes… now our Hero arrives…

They see its stop/start traffic and one lane is not really being used, so to them there’s no reason not to use the emptier lane and merge at the lane closure but perhaps also understandably the folks who’ve already correctly merged are kinda pissed at this perceived lack of road manners. In no time the shenanigans all start and no one wins the argument

In an ideal world what would happen is that when the merged single lane free flowing traffic begins to slow & is no longer free flowing, traffic should form two lanes again from the tail of the existing merged Q… everyone happy and everyone getting through in roughly the order in which they arrived… but it’ll never happen

 

[Deleted member 23270]

Option 1 is join the back of the queue.
Option 2 is push your way to the front.
Which option you take depends on how much respect you have for those around you.

 

[Deleted member 23270]

I think the issue is pretty clear. There are two recommendations on merging in turn, one for slow stop/start traffic and one for free flowing traffic

For the former its to use all lanes and merge at the end (at lane closure) For the latter you should merge early to keep traffic flowing.
The problem crops up when traffic was free flowing (so folks have merged early) and ‘something’ happens to quickly turn it into stop/start traffic

That ‘something’ could be caused by a dozen different reasons but typically a ‘Q jumper’ leaving it too late to merge for free flowing traffic, cutting in too close to other vehicles and causing the free flowing lane to concertina and even stop

So now we have one lane with cars all positioned as if it was a free flowing merge but its now stop/start traffic, and the traffic never un-merges back into two lanes… now our Hero arrives…

They see its stop/start traffic and one lane is not really being used, so to them there’s no reason not to use the emptier lane and merge at the lane closure but perhaps also understandably the folks who’ve already correctly merged are kinda pissed at this perceived lack of road manners. In no time the shenanigans all start and no one wins the argument

In an ideal world what would happen is that when the merged single lane free flowing traffic begins to slow & is no longer free flowing, traffic should form two lanes again from the tail of the existing merged Q… everyone happy and everyone getting through in roughly the order in which they arrived… but it’ll never happen

Spot on.

 

[Deleted member 29109]

Option 1 is join the back of the queue.
Option 2 is push your way to the front.
Which option you take depends on how much respect you have for those around you.

Option 3 is to learn how to use merge in turn properly and not cause an unnecessarily long que in the first place.

 

[need_my_wedge]

Maybe those in "the queue" have already merged as intended, but still others continue push down to the front to merge at the last moment. Can cause a bigger bottleneck as both lanes now jammed whilst they push in. It should work better if people don't all wait to do it at the last available point.

 

[Deleted member 29109]

Maybe those in "the queue" have already merged as intended, but still others continue push down to the front to merge at the last moment. Can cause a bigger bottleneck as both lanes now jammed whilst they push in. It should work better if people don't all wait to do it at the last available point.

If they are in a long que, chances are they have merged too soon. Which is quite common. And in the view of some on here, will have pushed in. So why not go all the way to the front?

 

[Deleted member 30522]

What is this strange concept of "merging".
In such a scenario surely it is the objective to drive as close as possible to the car in front to stop all those impatient gits people who know how to drive from cutting in front of you

Fixed it