Matchplay!

[Deleted Member 1156]

I am not sure why you are introducing percentages in this other than perhaps try and exaggerate your point. The difference is still the same for both of you, i.e. 3 shots better than your handicap. Is the margin for error greater for you, yes of course, but then you're the better, more consistent player. Play the 20+ hcapper 10 times and more often than not, you'll win the match.

Just out of interest, what is your handicap and how often do you play to 3 under it per season?

 

[duncan mackie]

Oh dear, we can't have a sport where the better player wins most of the time.

We already do - it's just that most of these "better players" still seem to feel that they have a right to win even more often.

 

[woody69]

Oh dear, we can't have a sport where the better player wins most of the time.

That is exactly what happens though.

https://www.scottishgolf.org/wp-content/uploads/Myths-and-Misconceptions1.pdf

 

[woody69]

Just out of interest, what is your handicap and how often do you play to 3 under it per season?

I play off 22, have participated in 5 qualifying comps this year and my best score has been 36. So pretty much never.

 

[Hosel Fade]

Oh dear, we can't have a sport where the better player wins most of the time.

Get really really good then and enter scratch events following that logic

 

[Deleted Member 1156]

We already do - it's just that most of these "better players" still seem to feel that they have a right to win even more often.

That is exactly what happens though.

https://www.scottishgolf.org/wp-content/uploads/Myths-and-Misconceptions1.pdf

Certainly not the case in my club where the majority of KO's and medal/stableford competitions are won by double digit handicappers.

 

[woody69]

Certainly not the case in my club where the majority of KO's and medal/stableford competitions are won by double digit handicappers.

I'd be interested to see the actual results as that would be quite an anomaly. Do you know this for sure, or is this a perception you have based on an opinion, i.e. you've not actually looked at the data?

 

[Deleted Member 1156]

I'd be interested to see the actual results as that would be quite an anomaly. Do you know this for sure, or is this a perception you have based on an opinion, i.e. you've not actually looked at the data?

This is based on the results on the club website.

 

[patricks148]

That is exactly what happens though.

https://www.scottishgolf.org/wp-content/uploads/Myths-and-Misconceptions1.pdf

Those SGU results don't show the best players are winning the best players only 10% according to that link

 

[Hosel Fade]

Certainly not the case in my club where the majority of KO's and medal/stableford competitions are won by double digit handicappers.

Only about 20% of your membership will be single digit players

 

[Deleted Member 1156]

Get really really good then and enter scratch events following that logic

I'm playing in 3 36hole scratch events the next 3 weekends :thup:

 

[Vardon11LDN]

I'm playing in 3 36hole scratch events the next 3 weekends :thup:

What is your HC mate?

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Certainly not the case in my club where the majority of KO's and medal/stableford competitions are won by double digit handicappers.

The last double digit HC to win our Main HC KO was myself about 4 years ago when i was off 16 - since then it has been won with people of HC between 6 and 10

It's the same with the Winter KO - winners all between 6 and 10

I don't now enter them - have lost the last couple of years despite twice playing to level gross

 

[Slab]

If you think that's the problem with Matchplay then you shouldn't play it. Shooting 39 pts isn't really playing great though is it, off 20 he could easily have played much better than that.

Are you suggesting a way for the person playing worse over 18 holes to win the match? Surely the person playing the best golf over the holes should be the winner?

Could he though?

I guess to move from 39 points to 40 points basically requires one less shot from a high handicap golfer... so yeah that sounds doable

Whereas I think the low handicap guy would have to take 4 less shots to move from 39 to 40 stableford points! A much tougher ask

 

[Deleted Member 1156]

What is your HC mate?

I'm off 5

 

[Stuey01]

Could he though?

I guess to move from 39 points to 40 points basically requires one less shot from a high handicap golfer... so yeah that sounds doable

Whereas I think the low handicap guy would have to take 4 less shots to move from 39 to 40 stableford points! A much tougher ask

Que?

 

[louise_a]

I don't have a problem giving lots of shots, I am better than they are and would expect to win most of the time if I played reasonably.
This year playing for our team I have given 14 twice and 10 once, I have won them all, the last by 9&8. I also gave 12 shots in the first round of the club knockout and won on the 13th.

 

[delc]

Just out of interest, I have worked out the Stableford points for my afternoon match which went to the 18th hole. My opponent scored 39 and I scored 34, so as a stroke play match it wouldn't have been nearly as close!

Just to add that I could have potentially scored 37 points if I had played the 18th as intended. My opponent pulled his 2nd shot into a greenside bunker and then I did the same thing with just an 8 iron in my hands! He played a better recovery shot than me.

 

[Foxholer]

I don't have a problem giving lots of shots, I am better than they are and would expect to win most of the time if I played reasonably.
...

This is the proper attitude to take!

 

[Foxholer]

Those SGU results don't show the best players are winning the best players only 10% according to that link

It shows (well showed as it's pretty old!) that they win slightly more than their 'fair share'! As do Cat 2s, with Cat 3s and 4s winning slightly less than their 'fair share'! Seems an excellent correlation to me!

Certainly not the case in my club where the majority of KO's and medal/stableford competitions are won by double digit handicappers.

So, with 3 and 4 times the number in Cat 2 and 3 resp as there are in Cat 1, it's quite reasonable that most comp winners come from these categories!