Matchplay - unplayed match help

[jimjoachim]

Hi there. Having a slight problem with a couple of guys at the club over a foursomes match and could do with some advice. Sorry if its a confusing read.....

The match was due to be played by the 24th June but due holidays on both sides we struggled to get a date to play. There was an agreement to play on the 21st but they had to cancel. We asked the committee for an extension and agreed to playing on the 27th at 4.30.

Then about 2 hrs before the tee time they contact us to cancel again. They say they called and got an extension to the ned of the month and ask about playing on the 30th. We tell them it wasnt possible as we had already moved another match from the 27th to the 30th so we could accomadate this foursomes match.

We dont hear anymore so assumed that we were going through. We put our names up on the sheet and contact the guys we should be playing next. Then when up at the club yesterday to play our other match we see our name had crossed off the sheet and theirs put up lol. We contact them and keep it quite polite. Saying that we're confused at what is going on as we had assumed their no show on the 27th was a concession. (we had considered phoning them but both decided that we were less likely to keep it "polite" if we did). They claim that they hadnt conceded and because they got a further extension and we couldnt play we were infact conceding.

We have now just past the matter on to the committee.

Anybody had any experiances with the likes of this before? In my head i cant see their logic.
Note - we were the ones who initiated contact and endlessly suggested dates....

I really dont want to have to play the match now as i would really struggle to be cival to them. Plus theres now less then 3 weeks to get the next round sorted and played...

 

[fundy]

Personally wouldve claimed the game when they tried to cancel 2hrs before teeing off on the 27th, dont think the club helped much allowing another extension either. Not sure why the contact broke down with you wanting to play 27th, them 30th, shouldve agreed what would happen at that point (ie you shouldve told them to play the 27th or you were claiming the game)

With it as it is I think you should be awarded the game (or both teams dq'ed), what a committee will decide is anybodys guess

 

[Val]

I'd have claimed the tie, they called off twice.

 

[Imurg]

Along with the fact that I dislike matchplay - this is the other reason I don't enter these events anymore.
It's way too much hassle to get everyone in the same place at the same time.......

Good luck with the Committee - they ought to back your claim to go through.....

 

[upsidedown]

Your tie I'd say.

 

[CMAC]

committee should decide the match is yours, they called off twice and the last time 2 hrs before tee-off. Their issue so they should be conceding.

 

[Hobbit]

Both pairs out.

I've had the pleasure of being Chairman of Comps and had pairs coming to me with the, "you're in the wrong" "No, you're in the wrong," many times. Its impossible to determine who is exactly in the right every time.

If the Comps committee sets its stall out from day 1, "no extensions" you'd be amazed how after a season or two no one asks for an extension. Also, its unfair on the pair waiting in the in the next round to cramp their available dates.

 

[duncan mackie]

drop the committee a note outlining the situation as you have above -

endless extensions are never the answer because of exactly what's happened here; it is unfair that you (and the other pair) will not have the full period to arrange and play that match.

you accepted their original cancellation because you wanted to play rather than claim, some notice was given, and there appeared scope for a realistic rearrangement.

the second time, with 2 hours notice, they are only really advising you that they won't make it rather than there being scope to play the fixture - you had committed to the time and that's the end.

personally I start copying in the committee to correspondence (emails) as soon as things start to go like this - but I realise that's easy to say.

whilst it's never easy for a committee, as set out above it's about as easy as it can get...

 

[pbrown7582]

I think after there call off on the 27th a call to the commitee yourself would of been wise, and at least let them
Know you were claiming game, just putting your name in board is always IMO going to cause trouble.
Im in agreement with hobbit suspect the commitee will rule you both out.
May seem unfair but a final deadline is a final deadline.

 

[duncan mackie]

Both pairs out.

I've had the pleasure of being Chairman of Comps and had pairs coming to me with the, "you're in the wrong" "No, you're in the wrong," many times. Its impossible to determine who is exactly in the right every time.

If the Comps committee sets its stall out from day 1, "no extensions" you'd be amazed how after a season or two no one asks for an extension. Also, its unfair on the pair waiting in the in the next round to cramp their available dates.

Personally I think this is a ridiculous approach - as stated this would mean that if player, or pair, don't agree to play the other side can do absolutely nothing about it and are also out........

I agree that extensions per se need careful handling, and should therefore be avoided, but a pair, or player, should generally go through.

 

[Hobbit]

Both pairs out.

I've had the pleasure of being Chairman of Comps and had pairs coming to me with the, "you're in the wrong" "No, you're in the wrong," many times. Its impossible to determine who is exactly in the right every time.

If the Comps committee sets its stall out from day 1, "no extensions" you'd be amazed how after a season or two no one asks for an extension. Also, its unfair on the pair waiting in the in the next round to cramp their available dates.

Personally I think this is a ridiculous approach - as stated this would mean that if player, or pair, don't agree to play the other side can do absolutely nothing about it and are also out........
.

Why would a pair pay to enter a competition then not want to play? It also stops the, "we've given the opposition 3 dates," when in reality they've given, e.g. 3 X 8:30am's on a work day when one pair doesn't work.

 

[duncan mackie]

Why would a pair pay to enter a competition then not want to play? It also stops the, "we've given the opposition 3 dates," when in reality they've given, e.g. 3 X 8:30am's on a work day when one pair doesn't work.

it's not don't want to - it comes down to prioritisation, as you know. although of course it can come down to the unexpected, which happens.

I must have misread your inital post because it struck me that your latter example is exactly what it doesn't stop - Pair A do that and if B can't make those you are chucking them both out. Possibly you were exagerating your stance slightly to make a point?

Anyway, I beleive we are in complete agreement that extensions need very careful management and should not be seen as the default approach to pairs that can't sort themselves out in time

 

[North Mimms]

A couple of years ago our men's section came down heavy and and NO EXTENSIONS after the final of the summer knockout hadn't been played by Xmas.

I've had to deal with this sort of guff in the past, with both sides writing their agrieved letters to me... "I can only play at weekends because I work during the week" against " i work every weekend and only have days off during the week".
My reply ended with the information that i also work, but am self employed and sorting out their inability to agree a date meant hours and hours where I wasn't earning a bean.

My take on OP'd problem.... the other side conceded when they bailed on agreed date with only 2 hours notice.
But yes- someone should have let the committee /KO organiser know at that point.

 

[HawkeyeMS]

At our place you both be out for failing to play the match

 

[jimjoachim]

Well its now with the committee. They said we would know by yesterday afternoon but no word yet.

My fear is itll come down to a "who you know". We are both new members (less than 2 years) and although i dont know much about the other guys theres every chance that they are or know someone with influence...

Ill let you know when we hear back...

 

[North Mimms]

Well its now with the committee. They said we would know by yesterday afternoon but no word yet.

My fear is itll come down to a "who you know". We are both new members (less than 2 years) and although i dont know much about the other guys theres every chance that they are or know someone with influence...

Ill let you know when we hear back...

Even if the other pair "know" people, the committee have to give a reason for any decision

 

[CMAC]

At our place you both be out for failing to play the match

unless I'm reading it wrong, surely only 1 person failed to play the match by cancelling yet again?

 

[louise_a]

My opponent and I tried to get an extension due to her being on holiday, we were told no extensions and we managed to get the game played in time.

 

[jimjoachim]

The committee has spoken!!!

Further extension to the 8th July....

i feel sorry for are the guys who are waiting for one of us in the next round. That match has to be played by the 21st and theres a bank holiday weekend between the 7th and 21st over here!!!