Mancini been sacked by City!

Sweep said:
There is no doubt that United will suffer is some way next season, just due to the loss of consistency (new manager, probably new back room staff, players retiring). This upheaval has been made worse IMO due to lack of succession planning at United, even though we all knew Fergue would have to retire at some point soon. Even if Moyes settles in extremley well and very quickly it is highly unlikely United will manage 90 points next season.
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It would seem to me that Man U had a very sound succession planning strategy in place by appointing Moyes. If they would have gone for the latest fad manager like the chap from Dortmund then I would have argued that they had no succession plan. Don't believe all this crap you hear in the media about teams grooming internal people for succession as that never happens anymore. Plus any manager with the skills and ability to manage someone like Man U is not going to sit as an assistant to someone for a year.
 
Not sure i'd say that either Liverpool or Arsenal are in dissarray at all. They simply don't have the big bucks of City or Chelsea thats all so they are going about things in a different way. Last year Arsenal finished above Chelsea having spent nothing in comparison to them and again this year with 2 likely wins they'll be in the Champions league spots again having spent less than all those around them.

they still play good football and are with a couple more players likely to challenge further. I'd say Chelsea are in more dissarray simply because the owner sacks everyone at the drop of a hat.
 
blackpuddinmonster said:
I found what Gary Neville had to say about the Glaziers yesterday quite interesting. He claims that at no time have they interfered in the footballing side of the club, and have left it to the people who actually know what they're doing.
Perhaps there's a lesson to be learnt here for the likes of Sheikh Mansour, Abramovitch etc.. Money can only take you so far, consistancy requires good staff and stability imo.
Of course Utd might just have been lucky these last 20 yrs. :rolleyes:
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What was that number 20 on the shirts thing all about anyway? Something to do with the period over which they won trophies? A bit abstruse if it was.
 
Hacker Khan said:
It would seem to me that Man U had a very sound succession planning strategy in place by appointing Moyes. If they would have gone for the latest fad manager like the chap from Dortmund then I would have argued that they had no succession plan. Don't believe all this crap you hear in the media about teams grooming internal people for succession as that never happens anymore. Plus any manager with the skills and ability to manage someone like Man U is not going to sit as an assistant to someone for a year.
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I agree - bit harsh coming from a ManUtd fan. What do we know about who may or may not retire on the coaching side and who may or may not have been sahadowing them for however long. And players leave clubs - why would they leave with Ferguson going -p and if thety use that as a reason then in the ManUtd way they surely would be shown the door in any case as clearly they do not have the commitment to ManUtd.
 
I like Mancini and hope he gets another top job, unfortunately 90% of the Man-City squad are there for one reason and have no loyalty to the team or the manager. A massive lack of heart from them this season.
 
Well then it's official.

Chelsea have a vacancy and supposedly Roman is refusing to pay Jose get out clause to Real, City been touted as wanting Pellegrini but could City and their mega bucks move Mourinho instead!
 
To think that by the beginning of next season 8 out of the top 9 teams in the league will now have had a new manager within the last year or so. Also large rumblings at Arsenal and Stoke about their managers. Sheesh, the world's gone mad.

And we used to laugh at the Italian league for going through managers.
 
If Carlo leaves PSG Wenger will no doubt be targeted by them and wouldn't be shocked if he decides the time is right to go. Pulis at Stoke again would not be shocked if he gets pushed they should be doing better with all the cash he has spent. But your right it is crazy. Some of the lower leagues are nearly as bad though
 
i see there is some paper talk Barca maybe trying to pounce on Pellegrini, seems to have done a decent job at Malalag but didnt really work at Madrid although there was great work done at Villareal.
 
Hacker Khan said:
It would seem to me that Man U had a very sound succession planning strategy in place by appointing Moyes. If they would have gone for the latest fad manager like the chap from Dortmund then I would have argued that they had no succession plan. Don't believe all this crap you hear in the media about teams grooming internal people for succession as that never happens anymore. Plus any manager with the skills and ability to manage someone like Man U is not going to sit as an assistant to someone for a year.
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Waiting for the man who runs the club and by extension has a huge input into the success of the business to announce his retirement in the next two weeks and then approaching someone to replace him is not in any way, shape or form succession planning. Man U is a multi billion pound operation. Can you imagine any other business of this size doing this? I have no doubt Moyes is the right man for the job and I am not being critical of his appointment. However, United could have their pick and I am absolutely sure Moyes or anyone else would have been happy to shadow Fergie for a year if it meant they were going to be the manager of Manchester United. This and indeed the Mancini issue are just more examples of how football club owners never learn. Liverpool acheived thier dominance with the boot room succession planning strategy, yet I can't think of another club that has emulated it. Every really succesful club since the 60's has had long term managers and yet everyone except United and Arsenal has ignored this.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
I agree - bit harsh coming from a ManUtd fan. What do we know about who may or may not retire on the coaching side and who may or may not have been sahadowing them for however long. And players leave clubs - why would they leave with Ferguson going -p and if thety use that as a reason then in the ManUtd way they surely would be shown the door in any case as clearly they do not have the commitment to ManUtd.
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Which is why I said probably new back room staff. I wasn't suggesting players would leave because Fergie was going, I was referring to Paul Scholes who has retired. I could also have mentioned the new Chief Exec.
 
Fergies retirement has been planned since at least feb and david gill was considering his future and decided new chief exec and manager at the same time was best option, it might all of seemed to have happened fast but im pretty sure the only thing that wasnt planned was the timing, somebody let the cat out of the bag early.
 
Liverbirdie said:
To think that by the beginning of next season 8 out of the top 9 teams in the league will now have had a new manager within the last year or so. Also large rumblings at Arsenal and Stoke about their managers. Sheesh, the world's gone mad.

And we used to laugh at the Italian league for going through managers.
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You've obviously never had to sit through 90 minutes of Pulisball week in, week out!
 
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