M1 vs M2

[Tashyboy]

This is my only beef with this launch.
A lot of people have, in a way, been "suckered" into paying 400 notes for a club that might be no better for them than the 300 quid one just released a month or 2 later...you wonder how many M1s would have been sold if the M2 was released at the same time..
At least the other manufacturers announce the whole range at the same time ie 915 D2 and 3, Pings G. SF and LS, Callaways Pro and non-Pro...just poor form from TM in my opinion

👍 Yes to that

 

[Deleted member 15344]

This is my only beef with this launch.
A lot of people have, in a way, been "suckered" into paying 400 notes for a club that might be no better for them than the 300 quid one just released a month or 2 later...you wonder how many M1s would have been sold if the M2 was released at the same time..
At least the other manufacturers announce the whole range at the same time ie 915 D2 and 3, Pings G. SF and LS, Callaways Pro and non-Pro...just poor form from TM in my opinion

Titleist may release the two models at the same time but the other OEM haven't in the past and Callaway are worse XR released at different times to the countless different Big Bertha models - Ping released the G30 SF Tec after the G30 and the LS a good 4 months later , how many different Cobra models released in the same period

14 new models have been released by 4 other OEMs in the same time since the M1 came out and now the M2

Seems the problem isn't just TM but TM are the ones who gets the flak

 

[KenL]

Partly not true on the G30.

standard model and SF Tec were released at the same time. I got my sf Tec at launch. The LS Tec version came out due to the wave of publicity for low spin.

 

[Hacker Khan]

I disagree. When buying a car, people look for a quality piece of kit with reasonable residual value. Why should we not think of a £400 (ooof!) driver in the same way.

But you can buy cars with good residual values and some with poor residual values. And it is exactly the same for drivers. There are plenty of expensive cars that will lose money hand over fist, initial price is not the main factor by any means in how quick it will depreciate.

If residual values are extremely important to anyone then they should do a bit of research and possibly avoid TM and Callaway and go for something like Ping. If you have to have the latest TM or Callaway and then moan about it losing a lot of it's value then nowadays the only response you will get is 'well dur.....'. But the most important thing is that they will still work when a new version comes out.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Partly not true on the G30.

standard model and SF Tec were released at the same time. I got my sf Tec at launch. The LS Tec version came out due to the wave of publicity for low spin.

You're right :thup:

 

[Sats]

You can call it whining but a lot of people had there fingers burnt by TM to the extent that they would probably not but TM again.
Furthermore, someone on here is asking for advice on the difference between two clubs. If one is dire ( and it's someone's opinion ) I want to know. It's not whining it's giving an honest opinion which could save me and others money.
Re the bit about waiting six months, yup that's what I did when I bought my ping G30. I have bought my last TM model.

Fingers burnt? what did taylormade actually do? did they come round their houses and cut the driver shafts?

A golf company releasing products to gain profits, that son is called the free market, it's your choice as a consumer if you buy into it or not.

So I'd agree it is whining.

 

[User 105]

Just seen the prices for the M2 on AG and clubhouse. £279 from a £329 RRP!!!

Not sure what the Ping G is going to sell for but I think the RRP was £349. That's some serious price competition as for me the M2 and G are equivalent products rather than the M1 and G.

 

[Junior]

This is my only beef with this launch.
A lot of people have, in a way, been "suckered" into paying 400 notes for a club that might be no better for them than the 300 quid one just released a month or 2 later...you wonder how many M1s would have been sold if the M2 was released at the same time..
At least the other manufacturers announce the whole range at the same time ie 915 D2 and 3, Pings G. SF and LS, Callaways Pro and non-Pro...just poor form from TM in my opinion

I hear you, but at the end of the day its clever marketing.

Release a £400 driver that all the pros love , it gets the juices flowing of the gear lovers so everyone who wants one will more than likely snap them up..... those that bawk at the price keep there hands in there pockets. A few (4?) months down the line TM then releases an almost identical looking club, with identical performance just less adjustability for £300 notes and it entices those who fancied an m1 but didn't take the plunge to splash out.

As long as people spend, manufacturers will continue to manufacture.

 

[User 105]

The other factor is it's released at exactly the same time as the other manufacturers new products and competes directly with Ping G drivers, Cally XR 16, Nike Vapor Fly type products when the M1 was a bracket above them, at least in price point.

They could have probably released this at the same time as the M1 then would have had nothing to to take some of the spotlight away from the other manufacturers.

 

[BTatHome]

I doubt both clubs perform exactly the same for all people. There will be certain people, with certain swing characteristics that will fond the same performance when fitted in both but there are sure to be many more that get more from one or the other.

 

[UlyssesSky]

This is my only beef with this launch.
A lot of people have, in a way, been "suckered" into paying 400 notes for a club that might be no better for them than the 300 quid one just released a month or 2 later...you wonder how many M1s would have been sold if the M2 was released at the same time..
At least the other manufacturers announce the whole range at the same time ie 915 D2 and 3, Pings G. SF and LS, Callaways Pro and non-Pro...just poor form from TM in my opinion

M1 and M2 are completely different drivers aimed ad completely different target groups...

M1 is a highly adjustable driver, allowing the player to adjust not just loft, but also CoG and draw/fade bias. According to what I've read, the CoG of the M1 in the most rear position is still forward of the CoG of the M2, making it a much less forgiving club aimed at better players.

So the M1 is made for people who have high swing speeds, launch their balls high and need less spin and want to shape their shots.
The M2 is made for people with lower swing speeds who need more help getting their ball in the air and don't care about shot shaping because all they want is to hit shots that are straight enough to not miss the fairway.

Now if anyone from the latter group bought an M1 because they watched Jason Day or some other tour pro hit 300+y bombs with it: Sorry, not sorry. If your overestimate your own abilities and bought a "players" driver instead of a GI driver because you fell for the marketing, you kind of deserve it.

 

[Fish]

Well I just spent a good deal of time at AG with the M2 on the Trackman and it didn't matter what shaft we changed and swapped about, I just didn't get on with it, by god I was hitting it high as well

We ended up putting the Garmin TruSwing on the shaft to get some more feedback, my swing plane was bang on every time back & forth, all 3 colours were completely inline, after a hards day's graft my swing speed was low and between 82-86 mph, my tempo was 3.6 which by all accounts is very good, but the face of the M2 was always slightly open at impact, I tried making adjustments but that either makes things worse or massively over compensates the fault into a hook, so, it would seem with my SLDR and the weight at the draw position and my usual shot shape being a baby draw, having no weights in the M2 or any adjustability isn't suited for me, I had a pocket full of dosh and came out with it still in my pocket

I ran out before they suggested the M1

I'd read somewhere in another thread people were questioning and discussing how relevant the adjustable weights are in drivers even though they're such a nominal actual low weight, well after trying everything in what is being marketed as a more forgiving driver/club, and with what I constantly read about the SLDR not being that forgiving, I think the weight/s play a significant part and do help, so, shall I try the M1 or look at something completely different as I fancy upgrading my SLDR :mmm:

 

[KenL]

I don't think weights (to correct draw/fade) make much difference. When I had an R1 I swapped the heel at toe weights and did not notice much difference.

Having said that I found my SF Tec G30 more forgiving than the standard G30.