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Difference between fellow competitor and member of the same team would mean that the latter is more likely to be seeking an advantage.
Difference between fellow competitor and member of the same team would mean that the latter is more likely to be seeking an advantage.
Sweep
Journeyman Pro
I think it is quite a shocking admission by a professional golfer.
Yes, and? Not sure what you're getting at.
sam85
Head Pro
I'm a bit torn really, imo the only reason that ball was left there was to act as a potential backstop. However if both parties say there was no collusion then I guess we have to take their word for it.
HomerJSimpson
Hall of Famer
Isn't golf based on integrity and calling penalties when we know (or think) we have broken a rule. If they say there was no collusion then surely as you say, we need to take their word for it
Really? Why? That is being naive isn't it? It's a lovely thought but these are professional sports people playing for their living and I'm not in the camp that says we have to believe them no matter what.
I should add, I'm not saying there was collusion. I'm just saying I don't blindly believe what they say when it comes to potential rules issues.
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sam85
Head Pro
As I said my own opinion is that ball was left there for one reason only. However the rules dictate that if both players agree they weren’t in collusion there is no penalty. I’m not sure how you’d go about proving they were lying?
I'm not saying they were but like in any sport you look at the situation and make a judgement based on what you see. I don't believe you can fully go off what the players alone say.
garyinderry
Ryder Cup Winner
It's a funny one.
Where do you draw the line for a ball potentially not being a back stop?
If there is a ball 10 feet left of the hole, it too could be a back stop.
I feel if both parties are a fair distance away like they were In this case then it's in the lap of the gods if the balls collide.
It could also have deflected the ball to the right for example and away down a slope.
Sometimes it's a case of the rub of the green.
Where do you draw the line for a ball potentially not being a back stop?
If there is a ball 10 feet left of the hole, it too could be a back stop.
I feel if both parties are a fair distance away like they were In this case then it's in the lap of the gods if the balls collide.
It could also have deflected the ball to the right for example and away down a slope.
Sometimes it's a case of the rub of the green.
sam85
Head Pro
I agree completely and my own personal opinion is they both knew exactly what was going on.
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Deleted member 18588
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Because for there to be a breach of the Rule you must "reasonably believe" that the ball left on the green might help another's play.
Why, therefore, would one individual be deliberately helping a fellow competitor?
On the other hand two members of the same team in a pro-am maybe far more likely to collude with each other.
In the case under discussion due to the position of her ball I find it hard to believe that the player whose ball remained unmarked would reasonably believe that, by doing so, she was assisting her fellow competitor.
Dave3498
Q-School Graduate
Why is only to do with chipping? What about par threes where a player's ball lies close to the pin after a tee shot? Are we saying that it should be marked? Think of the pace of play implications.
williamalex1
Money List Winner
Surely the rules officials have already looked at this and decided there was no collusion, sorted.
Gotcha now, and good point previously. I just missed where you were going with it.
Sweep
Journeyman Pro
I think that if you are trying to hide collusion the last thing you would do would be a fist pump to celebrate the alleged collusion working.
Slab
Occasional Tour Caddy
As a tactic if you want to potentially get any random advantage from another players ball like this then be ready to play ASAP after they do, then you kinda remove their opptunity to go and mark
What we've seen in the men's game is a far more blatant unspoken collusion and no action taken against players so it's tough to pull up any others who were in all likelihood just playing quickly
What we've seen in the men's game is a far more blatant unspoken collusion and no action taken against players so it's tough to pull up any others who were in all likelihood just playing quickly
Homer
Active member
How far away does chipping stopping being chipping and how do you measure it? Just to be clear.
It could be any distance the tour decide. Just so that they can get rid of the ambiguity of the current rule. If they simply said all shots from within 10 yards of the green/hole had to be marked. Or all shots that finish within 3 foot of the hole must be marked when players are around the green.
I’m not saying it’s perfect, but there are too many times when the defence of golf is an honest game is used. How many funny stances to payers take to get clear of a cable, sprinkler head etc. They are all after a living and will use the rules to their advantage whenever they can. Imo the rules shouldn’t be open to such manipulation.
I’m not saying it’s perfect, but there are too many times when the defence of golf is an honest game is used. How many funny stances to payers take to get clear of a cable, sprinkler head etc. They are all after a living and will use the rules to their advantage whenever they can. Imo the rules shouldn’t be open to such manipulation.
Homer
Active member
What a wonderful idea to create 7 hour rounds to introduce something for nearly every hole to solve a problem that occurs once every 100+ rounds.
10 yards from green or hole is quite a difference. How do I measure if I’m 29 or 31 feet away - just pace it off? Great add some more time wasting!
10 yards from green or hole is quite a difference. How do I measure if I’m 29 or 31 feet away - just pace it off? Great add some more time wasting!
PJ87
Journeyman Pro
Be quicker to just remove the ruling entirely as it’s bull
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