Lottery Funding & Olympics

[Deleted member 16999]

It is obviously my opinion because I typed it and it is not for you or anyone else to turn it into a personal thing. You can have your opinion on the thread and I can have mine but where I choose to live has no relevance on anything.

When I said Tennis I meant in general and not Olympics, (in my opinion Pro tennis players should not even be in the Olympics in the first place.

Many professional British Tennis players are funded but are not putting the Effort in they just pose around. Murray and his brother are exceptions to the rule and I like them and I personally have no beef with them so stop assuming things that are not valid.

Not personal at all and agree everyone is entitled to an opinion, unfortunately you made statements which are not backed up, we're discussing the Olympics and now were meant to realise you are talking in general, sometimes it's easier to state it's an opinion or the discussion is being widened, that way it avoids people being confused about what you mean, for all we know you could intimate knowledge of the subject and educating us.
The relevance in were you live is the fact that these athletes that are funded by the UK are spending their money in the UK environment, you live abroad and unless visiting are not currently contributing to the UK economy, but you accuse them of giving nothing back without any proof, a very generalist statement which in my opinion is unfair.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Too many athletes to name that put nothing back and may are pro Tennis players they get around 26 million a year from the lottery and live a comfortable lifestyle with little to no success, The Murrays are and exception and I do not include them.

You do know a lot of lottery funding actually goes to tennis clubs to keep them alive and also to fund lessons for kids - also a lot of the top players fund themselves but use facilities paid for by LTA and Lottery Funds - unless you want to name which players you are talking about ?

The lottery money along with Taxpayers money went towards the Building of Olympic Village and Olympic stadium and the former has now been sold of to a Kuwait firm that is using the village as Private rented accommodation and West ham has the Olympic stadium on a peppercorn rent.
I do not see that as a good use of our countries money when so many are going without and our old and many of our infirm are suffering.
We will just have to agree to disagree as how you see it is a bit wrong.

So the Olympics village was built by using government money to help host the Games 4 years ago and then they sold it off to get money back ? Was the money not off good use then to help host the Olympics or would you prefer the thousands of participants brought a tent along with them ?

You are going back 4 years and talking about money that was used by the government to help host the games

This thread is about lottery funding to athletes to help them succeed.

You suggested enough wasn't going to good causes so I'm guessing you are ignoring the link and the amount of billions that has been given to good causes.

 

[Hacker Khan]

1 many athletes and sportsmen do nothing to help in communities and just take out and nobody said all of them.

2. I will take your word for it that the very so called top britisg athletes do no longer get funding but the funding massively helped to get them where they are today.

3 the Gravy train is the BBC and ITV and SKY etc where in my opinion they are overpaid for comments that most of us can see for ourselves.

4. Not anywhere near enough lottery and taxpayers money goes to grass roots sport and in many areas there are rubbish facilities for the public and they are expensive to use.
The London Olympics cost the taxpayer a fortune and most of the country got nothing out of it and the facilities (Olympic village and Olympic stadium) have been spirited away.
That is how I see it anyway.

What on earth are you talking about with regards to BBC/Sky??

And as for most of the country getting nothing out of London then most events sell outs as you had the opportunity to relatively easily attend the greatest sporting event on earth, there was a general feeling of happiness in the country whilst it was on and we got to prove to the world what a tolerant, inclusive, sports mad and generally cool country we are. Well were until Brexit came along, but that's another thread. Also large areas of the east of London have been regenerated. It probably was the greatest event Britain as a nation has hosted in my life time and probably ever will.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

I do not see that as a good use of our countrys money when so many are going without and our old and many of our infirm are suffering.
We will just have to agree to disagree as how you see it is a bit wrong.

So everyones entitled to opinion, apart from them you decide are a bit wrong.
:rofl:

 

[Alucard]

Not personal at all and agree everyone is entitled to an opinion, unfortunately you made statements which are not backed up, we're discussing the Olympics and now were meant to realise you are talking in general, sometimes it's easier to state it's an opinion or the discussion is being widened, that way it avoids people being confused about what you mean, for all we know you could intimate knowledge of the subject and educating us.
The relevance in were you live is the fact that these athletes that are funded by the UK are spending their money in the UK environment, you live abroad and unless visiting are not currently contributing to the UK economy, but you accuse them of giving nothing back without any proof, a very generalist statement which in my opinion is unfair.

I live abroad for now because I choose too I still pay money to the UK and so do my family, where I live is not relevant and should not even be mentioned.
You may think that my opinion is unfair but I think it is fair and I think that your opinion is incorrect. So as our opinions are worth the same in the big scheme of things (Thats Jack 5hit) we will have to agree to disagree.

 

[Alucard]

So everyones entitled to opinion, apart from them you decide are a bit wrong.
:rofl:

If you could read something properly then you will see that the poster said the same to me 1st at the end of his post derrrr.

 

[Alucard]

What on earth are you talking about with regards to BBC/Sky??

And as for most of the country getting nothing out of London then most events sell outs as you had the opportunity to relatively easily attend the greatest sporting event on earth, there was a general feeling of happiness in the country whilst it was on and we got to prove to the world what a tolerant, inclusive, sports mad and generally cool country we are. Well were until Brexit came along, but that's another thread. Also large areas of the east of London have been regenerated. It probably was the greatest event Britain as a nation has hosted in my life time and probably ever will.

Everything does not revolve around London, many people in the North of the UK can not afford the train fare there to London never mind attend an event like the Olympics.

 

[Alucard]

You do know a lot of lottery funding actually goes to tennis clubs to keep them alive and also to fund lessons for kids - also a lot of the top players fund themselves but use facilities paid for by LTA and Lottery Funds - unless you want to name which players you are talking about ?




So the Olympics village was built by using government money to help host the Games 4 years ago and then they sold it off to get money back ? Was the money not off good use then to help host the Olympics or would you prefer the thousands of participants brought a tent along with them ?

You are going back 4 years and talking about money that was used by the government to help host the games

This thread is about lottery funding to athletes to help them succeed.

You suggested enough wasn't going to good causes so I'm guessing you are ignoring the link and the amount of billions that has been given to good causes.

The money wasted on London Olympics was Tax payers money and Lottery money and government has yet to put the money back in the coffers after the sale of the Olympic village to Kuwait and the Olympic stadium being given to West ham united on a peppercorn rent.
The thing is that once again London has benefitted from the rest of the UK going without as per usual.

 

[pendodave]

Taking money from the poor to give to the rich ? What an nonsense statement

Nonsense ? Not really. I'd give you metaphorical, but not sure that you'd take it.....

30% of all UK olympians in Rio were privately educated (40% of all team sport members). 7% of the total population are privately educated.

The UK lottery, like most lotteries worldwide is disproportionately played by those from lower income groups/unemployed. In addition, the lower the social/income group playing, the higher the proportion of their disposable income is spent on the lottery. When they doubled the price recently, it just make it worse.

No, the lottery is not 'taking' money from people. but to suggest that it is a voluntary donation is equally implausible.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

I live abroad for now because I choose too I still pay money to the UK and so do my family, where I live is not relevant and should not even be mentioned.
You may think that my opinion is unfair but I think it is fair and I think that your opinion is incorrect. So as our opinions are worth the same in the big scheme of things (Thats Jack 5hit) we will have to agree to disagree.

So once again your opinion is fair and mine is incorrect:rofl:
Whether either of our opinions are correct or not, neither of us have the right to have a go at the Athletes without backing it up with facts.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

The money wasted on London Olympics was Tax payers money and Lottery money and government has yet to put the money back in the coffers after the sale of the Olympic village to Kuwait and the Olympic stadium being given to West ham united on a peppercorn rent.
The thing is that once again London has benefitted from the rest of the UK going without as per usual.

Well just to clarify that the money to host the Olympics was in a lot of people's opinion very much not a waste with London hosting one of the most successful games in modern history in terms of people watching at the events and ticket sales plus the facilities that are still being used to this day. The feel good feeling was felt all over the country from what I could make out - I know people from all over the country who came to help out at the games to ensure it was a success.

Again it's all 4 years ago now and it's not relevant to the current discussion of funding the athletes using lottery money

Right now it's clear it's got to the stage were you are just blurting out stuff without any actual backing - you have thrown accusations at athletes yet fail to actually provide some basis.

 

[CheltenhamHacker]

The money wasted on London Olympics was Tax payers money and Lottery money and government has yet to put the money back in the coffers after the sale of the Olympic village to Kuwait and the Olympic stadium being given to West ham united on a peppercorn rent.
The thing is that once again London has benefitted from the rest of the UK going without as per usual.

You've mentioned twice now aboutt the sale of the Olympic village to Kuwait, what exactly do you mean by this?! It's still there... and lots and lots of the flats are for sale to normal people. What are you referring to about Kuwait?

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Nonsense ? Not really. I'd give you metaphorical, but not sure that you'd take it.....

30% of all UK olympians in Rio were privately educated (40% of all team sport members). 7% of the total population are privately educated.

The UK lottery, like most lotteries worldwide is disproportionately played by those from lower income groups/unemployed. In addition, the lower the social/income group playing, the higher the proportion of their disposable income is spent on the lottery. When they doubled the price recently, it just make it worse.

No, the lottery is not 'taking' money from people. but to suggest that it is a voluntary donation is equally implausible.

Since when was anyone "forced" to buy a lottery ticket

It is a voluntary donation - no money is "taken" it is given by people looking to gain winnings. People have a choice - not one single person is being forced to buy a lottery ticket.

 

[Rlburnside]

UK Sport gets a third of its income from the government and this was increased by 29% whilst funding to local authoritys grant funding was cut by 24% and the consequences of these cuts will be felt all across the country by young and old who wish to participate in sport.

Not the fairest way to distribute funding IMO

 

[Alucard]

So once again your opinion is fair and mine is incorrect:rofl:
Whether either of our opinions are correct or not, neither of us have the right to have a go at the Athletes without backing it up with facts.

No our opinions are worth the same and thats Nothing as they are our just opinions. I believe that I am correct and you beleive you are and thats the end of it we will just have to agree to disagree.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

UK Sport gets a third of its income from the government and this was increased by 29% whilst funding to local authoritys grant funding was cut by 24% and the consequences of these cuts will be felt all across the country by young and old who wish to participate in sport.

Not the fairest way to distribute funding IMO

And UK sport put all their money into Sport all over the UK as opposed to local authorities who didn't. He lottery has piled in billions into Sport facilities all over the U.K. - facilities that weren't being funded by local councils or governments. In our local area alone the lottery along with UK sport has provided a local centre alongside 8 football pitches and one AstroTurf pitch. The local school got their AstroTurf relayed by lottery grant because the local council wouldn't fund it

 

[Deleted member 16999]

No our opinions are worth the same and thats Nothing as they are our just opinions. I believe that I am correct and you beleive you are and thats the end of it we will just have to agree to disagree.

Haven't once stated I'm correct, you have not once backed up any statement and failed to answer any of the points different posters have raised. More than happy to be educated by any poster with facts, everyday's a school day.😃

 

[Alucard]

Haven't once stated I'm correct, you have not once backed up any statement and failed to answer any of the points different posters have raised. More than happy to be educated by any poster with facts, everyday's a school day.

I do not need to back up anything to you, you can not prove to me that every athlete does good for the community I can definately say that some athletes do not. As I said in my opinion I do not agree that Lottery money should go on Sport as in many areas (although Londoners would never know it) our old and infirm are going without and I think the money better spent on that along with Hospitals, Schools and Prisons.

I dont have to answer other posters points as I do not agree with them and they can not prove their points either as it is simply a matter of opinion as to what we put importance to and I put health care and education for the masses above sport for the elite.
We will have to agree to disagree if you think otherwise.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

I do not need to back up anything to you, you can not prove to me that every athlete does good for the community I can definately say that some athletes do not. As I said in my opinion I do not agree that Lottery money should go on Sport as in many areas (although Londoners would never know it) our old and infirm are going without and I think the money better spent on that along with Hospitals, Schools and Prisons.

I dont have to answer other posters points as I do not agree with them and they can not prove their points either as it is simply a matter of opinion as to what we put importance to and I put health care and education for the masses above sport for the elite.
We will have to agree to disagree if you think otherwise.

Fair enough, pointless having these threads if anyone can just post anything without any substance or facts to back them up.
Enjoy the sun😃

 

[Alucard]

Fair enough, pointless having these threads if anyone can just post anything without any substance or facts to back them up.
Enjoy the sun

Will do and what you say goes for all of us.