LostProphets lead singer (peadophile)

[Pin-seeker]

I am a psychiatric nurse so I sometimes get to talk with people whose desires and thoughts would distress most people (myself included). I'm sure you've met and may even work with plenty of people that are similar. You just don't know it.

Where I do admire some of these people is their ability to control these desires and discuss them openly in a way that helps them to manage the thoughts and prevent them acting on it.

Yes I can imagine you've herd some pretty terrible stories.
Suppose we don't know what goes through peoples minds.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

I am a psychiatric nurse so I sometimes get to talk with people whose desires and thoughts would distress most people (myself included). I'm sure you've met and may even work with plenty of people that are similar. You just don't know it.

Where I do admire some of these people is their ability to control these desires and discuss them openly in a way that helps them to manage the thoughts and prevent them acting on it.

Good that you are trying to explain what mental illness can lead to. We too easily condemn without trying to understand. Not that we shouldn't condemn - but sometimes we should try and understand what leads some to have thoughts. None of us can prevent 'thoughts' arising - and some minds generate troubling, difficult or dangerous thoughts. Most of us do not act out on these thoughts and can dismiss them without really thinking about it - the thoughts are random thoughts not us.

Some have learned how to consciously recognise and then reject these thoughts as dangerous (to themselves as well as possibly to others) - and that rejection can be difficult but can be successfully managed. But there are a few who have either not sought help or have not recognised their condition and who are unable to do this. As a result they may act out on the thoughts and urges that arise, often knowing that what they are doing is wrong but with their mind able to construct a rationale that makes what they do seem excusable - they are unable to prevent their mind allowing them to act out on their thoughts.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Yes I can imagine you've herd some pretty terrible stories.
Suppose we don't know what goes through peoples minds.

I hazard a guess that we all have things we have thought but not acted upon that we would feel very uncomfortable about sharing with anybody. And I note that I am making this suggestion in general and not in respect to anything in particular.

 

[sawtooth]

I live a stones throw from Broadmoor and one of my neighbours works there. There are baby rapists in there so this guy may end up there with the rest of them.

Quickly going through the posts I read that a bullet through the brain serves no purpose. Did I read that right?

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I live a stones throw from Broadmoor and one of my neighbours works there. There are baby rapists in there so this guy may end up there with the rest of them.

Quickly going through the posts I read that a bullet through the brain serves no purpose. Did I read that right?

I think someone said something along those lines .

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

I think someone said something along those lines .

A bullet through the brain clearly serves a purpose - it saves the state some money - and that is it.

It would also send out a signal to some who are not able to suppress and manage dangerous and illogical thinking that this sort of justice is well served and served well. So why wait for the state to deliver it. See last week Bristol life sentence for murder.

 

[Pin-seeker]

I live a stones throw from Broadmoor and one of my neighbours works there. There are baby rapists in there so this guy may end up there with the rest of them.

Quickly going through the posts I read that a bullet through the brain serves no purpose. Did I read that right?

I said in my original post that a bullet would be too good for Watkins & I stand by that 100%

 

[harpo_72]

Use horse bolt, its cheaper, reusable.
But seriously death is an easy way out, there should be time to contemplate the actions that have led him there.... And of cause some reciprocal suffering to understand what is wrong.
as for it being a mental illness, sorry I don't buy that, this guy was acting on his sexual motivations, this is the way he is wired these are his desires. This is not a mental issue or software issue, this is a hardware issue. He is this way,unfortunately like many others.
To argue this is a mental issue, is to argue that all sexual desires and fantasies are mental problems and thus acceptable.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

To argue this is a mental issue, is to argue that all sexual desires and fantasies are mental problems and thus acceptable.

No it isn't - normal sexual desires and fantasies are clearly not due to mental problems. Abnormal sexual desires and fantasies are, by definition, of a different nature. Those with a mental illness may recognise them as abnormal and/or harmful for and to others, but their illness can mean that they cannot stop themselves acting out on these thoughts (see also drug, alcohol, gambling, sex, shopping etc addictions).

 

[woody69]

By that definition would that mean that someone who is gay has a 'mental illness', but just less ill than a paedophile?

[just wondering as your posts are quite interesting]

Well it obviously wouldn't be classified as a "mental illness", but they certainly have differences in their brains between hetrosexuals. A study discovered that gay men and hetrosexual women have brain halves of a similar size, whilst the right side was bigger in lesbian women and hetrosexual men. They also noticed differences in the amygdala.

 

[woody69]

as for it being a mental illness, sorry I don't buy that, this guy was acting on his sexual motivations, this is the way he is wired these are his desires. This is not a mental issue or software issue, this is a hardware issue. He is this way,unfortunately like many others.
To argue this is a mental issue, is to argue that all sexual desires and fantasies are mental problems and thus acceptable.

I'm sorry, but your post makes absolutely no sense. When you say it is a hardware issue, what exactly do you mean? Pedophillia is defined as a psychiatrict condition. That is an undisputable fact. And like it or not, I'm afraid to say that all sexual desires and fantasies are controlled by your brain. People don't choose to desire children.

You could also delve into the question on what exactly is "acceptable" is first and foremost defined by society. Our Greek and Roman ancestors had no problem sleeping with children, or family relations. Nearly 80 countries in the world still have problems with homosexuals even to this day. In their country they are viewed with a disgust similar to what some feel towards this man. Like it or not your sexual preference is very much to do with your brain and when society rejects that preference the person with them has to deal with it. Watkins acted on them, has now been caught and will hopefully be locked up for a very long time.

 

[JustOne]

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Good post Woody69

It is worth noting though that not all people with mental illness are incapable of controlling their actions. I know many people that have an attraction towards children or thoughts of rape towards women but have never acted upon it

Good post.


Fantasy isn't an illness (either mental or physical), it's crossing the 'social line' (and in particular towards OTHERS) that we have such an issue with.

In a survey (quoted below) 62% of women had had fantasies about being raped/forced into sex..... if they're all ill then the prisons are gonna be FULL.

Give a man the same fantasy and he's a pervert. Food for thought.

psychologists at North Texas University asked 355 college women: How often have you fantasized being overpowered/forced/raped by a man/woman to have oral/vaginal/anal sex against your will?

Sixty-two percent said they'd had at least one such fantasy.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

I'm sorry, but your post makes absolutely no sense. When you say it is a hardware issue, what exactly do you mean? Pedophillia is defined as a psychiatrict condition. That is an undisputable fact. And like it or not, I'm afraid to say that all sexual desires and fantasies are controlled by your brain. People don't choose to desire children.

You could also delve into the question on what exactly is "acceptable" is first and foremost defined by society. Our Greek and Roman ancestors had no problem sleeping with children, or family relations. Nearly 80 countries in the world still have problems with homosexuals even to this day. In their country they are viewed with a disgust similar to what some feel towards this man. Like it or not your sexual preference is very much to do with your brain and when society rejects that preference the person with them has to deal with it. Watkins acted on them, has now been caught and will hopefully be locked up for a very long time.

Explained a lot better than I managed - thankyou.