LostProphets lead singer (peadophile)

[drawboy]

So your saying he didn't know what he was doing was sick & wrong?

Woody69 I'm sorry but you need locking up with him if you truly believe what you have just stated....I cannot believe you can say that. Abusing a 12 month old baby can never ever be defended regardless of how many liberal politically correct flipping courses you have attended.
Sorry Pin-seeker this hasn't quoted as it reads, no offence meant to you. It is aimed as an answer to Woody69's post.

 

[Pin-seeker]

Woody69 I'm sorry but you need locking up with him if you truly believe what you have just stated....I cannot believe you can say that. Abusing a 12 month old baby can never ever be defended regardless of how many liberal politically correct flipping courses you have attended.
Sorry Pin-seeker this hasn't quoted as it reads, no offence meant to you. It is aimed as an answer to Woody69's post.

No worries mate.& I agree 100%, to make excuses for Watkins by blaming it on a condition is crazy. He's just a very sick individual. The password on his computer says it all really.

 

[woody69]

Woody69 I'm sorry but you need locking up with him if you truly believe what you have just stated....I cannot believe you can say that. Abusing a 12 month old baby can never ever be defended regardless of how many liberal politically correct flipping courses you have attended.

Please let me know what exactly I said, where you believe I defended him for abusing a baby.

 

[woody69]

No worries mate.& I agree 100%, to make excuses for Watkins by blaming it on a condition is crazy. He's just a very sick individual. The password on his computer says it all really.

Can you see the irony in your statement there?

 

[Pin-seeker]

Can you see the irony in your statement there?

Ok VILE individual. That better for you? :thup:

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Woody69 I'm sorry but you need locking up with him if you truly believe what you have just stated....I cannot believe you can say that. Abusing a 12 month old baby can never ever be defended regardless of how many liberal politically correct flipping courses you have attended.
Sorry Pin-seeker this hasn't quoted as it reads, no offence meant to you. It is aimed as an answer to Woody69's post.

I don't believe he was "defending" the persons actions - I believe he was trying to give reasons why people do sick things and at times it is an illness.

 

[harpo_72]

I am not sure he was ill as such, he took a lot of class A drugs, and it seemed just do as he pleased. He won't hopefully now. I don't condone the actions of other prisoners, but I do feel prison life should involve an element of labour. After all they owe society for their wrong doings, all of this human rights kind of backfires and the people who have abused it cry out for it. I remember a very simple saying "your human rights stop, when they infringe upon others" it's that simple. I also don't believe we need prison cells, the human body can do that, just disconnect the spinal column someway that can be reinstated and watch the result (harsh maybe but a lesson is not always easy to learn)

 

[User20205]

. I also don't believe we need prison cells, the human body can do that, just disconnect the spinal column someway that can be reinstated and watch the result (harsh maybe but a lesson is not always easy to learn)

I've got nothing to add to this thread, he'll get what's coming etc etc.

But.. I can't go without asking you to expand on this theory. Are you medically qualified?

 

[Foxholer]

Not sure his fellow convicts will agree....

But by their very presence in the same place as he will be, they are criminals!

There is no place for vigilantes/revenge attacks.

As I believe I posted some time ago, an appropriate Criminal Institution such as Broadmoor seems the place, but we'll eventually see what happens.

As for Justice outside the Law. I believe that to have Justice, there has to be Law, so Justice outsoide the Law is an impossible state!

 

[Iaing]

But by their very presence in the same place as he will be, they are criminals!

There is no place for vigilantes/revenge attacks.

As I believe I posted some time ago, an appropriate Criminal Institution such as Broadmoor seems the place, but we'll eventually see what happens.

As for Justice outside the Law. I believe that to have Justice, there has to be Law, so Justice outsoide the Law is an impossible state!

Oh, don't be so pompous.

A good kicking inside is getting off lightly as far as I'm concerned.

 

[drawboy]

Paedophilia is a psychiatric disorder. As much as it sickens you that he committed these acts they were no more a conscious decision to this man as your own sexual orientation.

I'm Sorry Woody but this reads as just because in his mind it seems perfectly normal to perform sex acts upon a defenseless 12 month old baby then it is because he cannot help it. Oh and the and I quote here "As much as it sickens you" Flipping heck mate this reads as it may sicken you but not me because I know what I am talking about. I have seen enough policemen on the television who also know a bit about this "Condition" look and sound totally repulsed by these "acts"to know that it isn't ok for anyone regardless of how their mind works. These people were once children too who no doubt were taught right from wrong everyone even these offenders know they are wrong they just choose not to believe it. This isn't the first time I have heard of this. My wife is a nurse on a pediatric ward and she has seen babies literally split open by people that have committed acts like this
I didn't mean to offend you with my reply but it read quite awfully to me.

 

[woody69]

I'm Sorry Woody but this reads as just because in his mind it seems perfectly normal to perform sex acts upon a defenseless 12 month old baby then it is because he cannot help it. Oh and the and I quote here "As much as it sickens you" Flipping heck mate this reads as it may sicken you but not me because I know what I am talking about. I have seen enough policemen on the television who also know a bit about this "Condition" look and sound totally repulsed by these "acts"to know that it isn't ok for anyone regardless of how their mind works. These people were once children too who no doubt were taught right from wrong everyone even these offenders know they are wrong they just choose not to believe it. This isn't the first time I have heard of this. My wife is a nurse on a pediatric ward and she has seen babies literally split open by people that have committed acts like this
I didn't mean to offend you with my reply but it read quite awfully to me.

You have completely misinterpreted my post. I'm not sure I ever alluded to the fact that it was "perfectly normal" or even "OK" to perform these acts on a defenseless baby. I was simply stating a fact that the condition is psychiatric and the acts he committed were because he has something wrong with the way he is built. The same way in which a serial killer lacks empathy. His brain is misfiring and causing him to have these compulsions to perform these deplorable acts. He has not made a conscious decision to have these feelings towards vulnerable children in the same way a gay person doesn't "choose" to be gay or a straight person chooses to be straight. It's just the way they are built.

The mindless talk of a bullet through the brain, hanging, shanking inside etc is pointless as it serves no purpose.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Yes.


If I need to explain why then you are simply one step or more below me on the ladder to being civilised.

:thup:

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

There you go again with the statement that because I don't believe he should be hung, drawn and quartered, I now think we should all feel sorry for him? How about just accepting that he now has his liberty taken away and will no longer have access to children and justice has prevailed? Taking someone's life isn't justice, it's revenge. I again have to reiterate the point that he has a psychiatric condition. It is a mental illness and he is incapable for controlling his compulsions. I abhor the fact he acted on them instead of getting treatment / help, but seeing as society's general view to a condition they know little about is usually one of disgust and this overwhelming desire by some in society to cause that person physical harm, maybe you can see why he kept quiet about it.

Good balanced and sensible words - it's a pity that mental illness and addictions aren't more generally better understood.

 

[palindromicbob]

Good balanced and sensible words - it's a pity that mental illness and addictions aren't more generally better understood.

It is worth noting though that not all people with mental illness are incapable of controlling their actions. I know many people that have an attraction towards children or thoughts of rape towards women but have never acted upon it and instead looked for help because of the conflict they had going on inside. The common thread between this case and so many other high profile sexual offenders is the ease of access to what he had a desire for.

The scariest part of this story is the mothers who facilitated the acts.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

It is worth noting though that not all people with mental illness are incapable of controlling their actions. I know many people that have an attraction towards children or thoughts of rape towards women but have never acted upon it and instead looked for help because of the conflict they had going on inside. The common thread between this case and so many other high profile sexual offenders is the ease of access to what he had a desire for.

The scariest part of this story is the mothers who facilitated the acts.

You are right - that is scary - surely they were accessory to the crime- and their defense is what? Poverty? Greed?

 

[JustOne]

His brain is misfiring and causing him to have these compulsions to perform these deplorable acts. He has not made a conscious decision to have these feelings towards vulnerable children in the same way a gay person doesn't "choose" to be gay or a straight person chooses to be straight. It's just the way they are built.

By that definition would that mean that someone who is gay has a 'mental illness', but just less ill than a paedophile?

[just wondering as your posts are quite interesting]

 

[Pin-seeker]

It is worth noting though that not all people with mental illness are incapable of controlling their actions. I know many people that have an attraction towards children or thoughts of rape towards women but have never acted upon it and instead looked for help because of the conflict they had going on inside. The common thread between this case and so many other high profile sexual offenders is the ease of access to what he had a desire for.

The scariest part of this story is the mothers who facilitated the acts.

Sounds like you know some nice people.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Sounds like you know some nice people.

More to add to your hitlist

 

[palindromicbob]

Sounds like you know some nice people.

I am a psychiatric nurse so I sometimes get to talk with people whose desires and thoughts would distress most people (myself included). I'm sure you've met and may even work with plenty of people that are similar. You just don't know it.

Where I do admire some of these people is their ability to control these desires and discuss them openly in a way that helps them to manage the thoughts and prevent them acting on it.