garyinderry
Ryder Cup Winner
he can only do a medal round. how can he even be considered to be a part of the competition as we as yet dont know how many shots to take off to find out his nett score!
lost the will to live!!!!!!
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SocketRocket
Ryder Cup Winner
Of course the guy is entitled to play if he has paid his membership, thats not the issue for me. I think the club has made a poor job of the new members induction, to send a new golfer who has hardly held a golf club in his hands before out in a medal match is poor. He will probably not enjoy it and may feel he is a hinderance to his group, it also very unsafe to have someone unexperienced hitting golfballs. I know I would have not liked the experience if I was in his situation.
This just would not happen in my club. At his interview his needs to get him playing to a level where he would start enjoying the game and not be a danger to others would have been considered. A program of lessons with the Pro and rounds with experienced players would have been made where he could qualify his handicap in a more relaxed, enjoyable and structured manner.
This just would not happen in my club. At his interview his needs to get him playing to a level where he would start enjoying the game and not be a danger to others would have been considered. A program of lessons with the Pro and rounds with experienced players would have been made where he could qualify his handicap in a more relaxed, enjoyable and structured manner.
Shiny
Head Pro
^^^^This is totally correct^^^^^
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thecraw
Guest
It clearly is an issue with you and one of the reasons that golf has a "stuffy blazer and tie" image. Whether you would have liked the experience or not a member of any ability can enter a medal and play. Get on with it, accept and play plus encourage the new member.
Shiny
Head Pro
But also how many people have tried golf, been thrown in at the deep end, had a bad experience and quit. With a bit of nurturing they would still be playing golf.
North Mimms
Tour Winner
Unecessarily rude.
All the whinging on here about slow play and here you are encouraging a complete and utter novice to go out and play a medal with two complete strangers on a course he has never played before.
You're telling me that you would be delighted with that? If you say yes, you're the one talking pants.
I've been Lady Captain and helped plenty of novices.
I've guaranteed to play at least once a week with them for as long as they want.
Given them confidence and a solid grounding in the basic rules.
That's not stuffy and it's not elitism
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thecraw
Guest
Rude??? Grow up. The fact is he's a member of a golf club, he's entitled to play in ANY competition. End of discussion. Congrats on being Lady Captain, shows how elite your attitude is that you feel the need to mention it. I'm in awe.
:fore:
North Mimms
Tour Winner
You really do have a problem, don't you?
I'll leave you to throw your toys out of the pram if you wish.
Bye
Totally agree. We had a 4 handicapper shoot mid 90's in a medal recently. Would the OP or any of the others have complained about his imcompetency and inablity and refuse to play with him. Just because anyone has a handicap it is only a guide and not a divine right to what you'll score every time
stevelev
Journeyman Pro
Its not his fault you booked last minute, maybe you should have booked just incase. I'm sure there are many single figure scratch players who adore you and would be glad for you chat about the time YOU WERE PUT (even though you were slotted in at last minute) with a complete novice. I remember the first time you played, what was it 6 over gross. Well done 6", is that how long the chip on your shoulder is. hahahaha
Who over said golf should be fun, not you
pokerjoke
Money List Winner
Reading the OP i thought you were talking about Rickg for a minute.
Im sure hes shot 138 but i know hes improved a bit since.
I feel your pain,and im sure a few on here who have slated you,and were in your position
would be cursing too.
A lot of things were wrong here.
I used to shoot in the 130s and im sure many others on here have too.
I and my dad were fully aware i was a danger too others so we went on the course
when no-one else was around.
I would have hated to have been put straight in the deep end of a comp,and hacked my way around,so
perhaps the player shoud have realised what he was doing,and getting in to.
The bit that wrangles is your late entry,so you take what you get,and you judging the guy about
his gear.
Well done for letting the groups through,but four groups tells me it was a nightmare.
To me 50/50 rant
Im sure hes shot 138 but i know hes improved a bit since.
I feel your pain,and im sure a few on here who have slated you,and were in your position
would be cursing too.
A lot of things were wrong here.
I used to shoot in the 130s and im sure many others on here have too.
I and my dad were fully aware i was a danger too others so we went on the course
when no-one else was around.
I would have hated to have been put straight in the deep end of a comp,and hacked my way around,so
perhaps the player shoud have realised what he was doing,and getting in to.
The bit that wrangles is your late entry,so you take what you get,and you judging the guy about
his gear.
Well done for letting the groups through,but four groups tells me it was a nightmare.
To me 50/50 rant
I've already said I'd have played with him. Maybe because I'm not single figures and with a huge chip on my shoulder that if the worse happened and it put me off my game and I played crap then I get 0.1 back. Big deal. New guy gets a card in and goes away happy and I get to play golf regardless. A monthly medal isn't high on my list of golfing targets in 2012. Plenty of those in a year
Shiny
Head Pro
I would have played with him, no issue there. I would be interested (I know we never will) to get the newbies feedback on how he thinks it went, hopefully he has stuck with it.
SocketRocket
Ryder Cup Winner
If you are going to comment on my post then please read it properly first! You have selectively highlighted part of it but not the first sentence where I explained that as a paid up member he had every right to play the course. In no part of my post did I suggest that I would not welcome him or play with him.
If my suggestion of welcoming and inducing a new inexperienced golfer is a 'stuffy blazer and tie brigade' then I would welcome that label over what appears to be your view that letting this guy out on the course with no coordinated help from the club is the 'modern smart casual' way.
6inchcup
Journeyman Pro
FIRSTLY i do not have a chip on my shoulder about anything,SECONDLY i couldn't care less if this chap had a set of howson clubs from littlewoods,my point was this chaps lack of any golf etiquette or rules not to mention his ability to swing a club playing in a club comp.,yesterday (sunday) i spoke to the club sec and mentioned this and he said we had some new members who had by- passed the normal entry rules ( being proposed and seconded,interviewed and name put on board for other members to vet) and just paid the £1000 joining fee and the £890 green fees to bolster the membership numbers,the pro apologized to me when i mentioned what had happened as he was not aware this chap had never played golf before and said he put him with 2 super senior players so he would not have felt uncomfortable as it was his first outing.We beg to differ on this subject but i still think i am right and it is not my job to teach a new golfer how to play,etiquette/rules in a comp.
User20205
Money List Winner
I think you have a point, his first round of golf shouldn't have been a medal. That said, your argument is lost in the pomposity of your original post.
If you had been asked to help introduce a new member to the game/club in a social knock would you have agreed??
If you had been asked to help introduce a new member to the game/club in a social knock would you have agreed??
6inchcup
Journeyman Pro
yes no problem that is a different situation but to to brutally honest this chap really doesn't seem that interested in the GAME more being a member of a golf club.
Bratty
Princess Pouty (Queen of Fish Lips)
At our place, as far as I remember, you get three rounds in with other members signing your card, and then you can play in any comp. Same rules for everyone, so no-one can say, "I've paid my subs.." and expect to play.
If that rule doesn't apply at the OP's club, then that's a shame, but the newbie is entitled to play and therefore entitled to a bit of courtesy or even encouragement. Maybe the pro could have suggested that the newbie have a lesson or two, or even suggest playing in the stablefords rather than the medals until he had his handicap.
But even then, once he's got his handicap of 28, he'll only have played on grass 3 or 4 times, so he'll still be hitting 100+, right? So when is he able to play?
The fact that he had all the gear shouldn't have entered in to it, and that's where the OP's comments become less than constructive and more like jealousy.
Yes, I'm sure it can't have been pleasant, but then let's ask this question:
How many of us never shoot above handicap by more than 10 shots? What about 20? Last year, off 15, I shot a 106. I can imagine some people thinking "15 h/cap my arse!", and therein lies the main problem. We can all hack it around when the swings not working.
Maybe we should introduce the Netherlands approach, which forces you to get a "licence" to play golf? They teach you the basics, the rules, the etiquette, etc. Okay, so it may put some people off, but having played golf in the Netherlands, it certainy works.
What I can say is that I have never hated playing golf with anyone because of their ability or lack of. I have, however, hated playing with bigotted, racist or bragging egotists...
If that rule doesn't apply at the OP's club, then that's a shame, but the newbie is entitled to play and therefore entitled to a bit of courtesy or even encouragement. Maybe the pro could have suggested that the newbie have a lesson or two, or even suggest playing in the stablefords rather than the medals until he had his handicap.
But even then, once he's got his handicap of 28, he'll only have played on grass 3 or 4 times, so he'll still be hitting 100+, right? So when is he able to play?
The fact that he had all the gear shouldn't have entered in to it, and that's where the OP's comments become less than constructive and more like jealousy.
Yes, I'm sure it can't have been pleasant, but then let's ask this question:
How many of us never shoot above handicap by more than 10 shots? What about 20? Last year, off 15, I shot a 106. I can imagine some people thinking "15 h/cap my arse!", and therein lies the main problem. We can all hack it around when the swings not working.
Maybe we should introduce the Netherlands approach, which forces you to get a "licence" to play golf? They teach you the basics, the rules, the etiquette, etc. Okay, so it may put some people off, but having played golf in the Netherlands, it certainy works.
What I can say is that I have never hated playing golf with anyone because of their ability or lack of. I have, however, hated playing with bigotted, racist or bragging egotists...
Wolfman
Tour Rookie
It does appear that your club has some faults here with regards to new arrivals but i still think you could of
Decided not to play
Played and helped the new member
Or make a knob of yourself by posting such outdated attitudes towards new golfers that produces so much bad feeling in clubs
I think you should arrange to take this new member out again and show him the course and encourage him before he packs in the game and blames you for never fullfilling his dream
In all seriousness i think your original post was trying to make a valid point about the bad club arrangment and most would of backed you on this, but you dug a deep hole when you slated a senior and a newcomer in one sentence, shame
Decided not to play
Played and helped the new member
Or make a knob of yourself by posting such outdated attitudes towards new golfers that produces so much bad feeling in clubs
I think you should arrange to take this new member out again and show him the course and encourage him before he packs in the game and blames you for never fullfilling his dream
In all seriousness i think your original post was trying to make a valid point about the bad club arrangment and most would of backed you on this, but you dug a deep hole when you slated a senior and a newcomer in one sentence, shame
6inchcup
Journeyman Pro
what would you have said if you were told in advance your round would take over 5 hours and the chap you were playing with had never ever played golf in his life and didn't know any rules or how to conduct himself on the course or if you waited you could be put with another group?
