London Tower Block Fire

SwingsitlikeHogan said:
I wish that you were correct but I am not sure that you are. Some people seem not that fussy.
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The people that you refer to as not that fussy in my eyes are ignorant and no matter what will always be ignorant.

I think D4S has hit the nail on the head.

Re the tragic events that took place. I have been astounded at the wide variety of races, religions and countrys that the people have come from, that have been both directly and indirectly affected by this. If there is one thing that has come home to me is that a multi cultural society can work. The way in which the same people have pulled together without any political direction has been nothing short of astounding. It has been a true "British/ multicultural" response.
 
Theresa May announces a £5 million aid package, and at the same time protestors storm the Council in anger. Seems the locals want answers not money. Could well start to turn ugly
 
Tashyboy said:
Theresa May announces a £5 million aid package, and at the same time protestors storm the Council in anger. Seems the locals want answers not money. Could well start to turn ugly
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Already ugly scenes outside of Grenfell. Footage of residents kicking off as TM didn't speak to any locals, just showed her face and the ushered to her car.
 
Well heeled establishment types go to a working class area to 'sympathise' - never works does it? PM damned if she does, damned if she doesn't. HM looked very uncomfortable as people shrieking in anguish nearby but fair play she fronted up, not sure how it helps though - horrific circumstances really. No easy answers but short term sort housing for displaced, sort counselling for those losing loved ones, let the police and fire do their jobs and stop rushing them for conclusions, push hard for a quick public enquiry though fear it will be an expensive cover up as usual.
Terrible terrible run of events in last few weeks in the UK, don't envy the PM tbh.
 
Pokerjoke made the comment about people not responding to a thread having read it, but apart from each individuals feelings and way of dealing with something, isn't the way this (and many other) threads has descended into bickering and argueing just gives another reason why many may not respond.
A certain few who have their own set agenda and refuse to see another point of view or side just put people off bothering to participate.

Back on track, I still havent fully come to terms with the whole thing. However I think it's way to early to be looking for the blame, at least until the building has been fully checked and everyone within accounted for.
It has been a totally harrowing time for all those involved, and I thank my lucky stars I am only a spectator to the whole event.
My admiration for the emergency services cannot be quantified, everyone one of them is a hero.
 
Tashyboy said:
The people that you refer to as not that fussy in my eyes are ignorant and no matter what will always be ignorant.

I think D4S has hit the nail on the head.

Re the tragic events that took place. I have been astounded at the wide variety of races, religions and countrys that the people have come from, that have been both directly and indirectly affected by this. If there is one thing that has come home to me is that a multi cultural society can work. The way in which the same people have pulled together without any political direction has been nothing short of astounding. It has been a true "British/ multicultural" response.
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good post
 
SocketRocket said:
You have quite a strange mind. Why on earth have you brought racial hatred into this thread.
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You read too much into my post. But as you mentioned it - Maajid Nawaz read yesterday messages he was being sent when on air that were full of racial hatred 'not a white face in sight'; 'why all the headscarves' were of the least offensive type. So unfortunately it is there - even in the context of such a disaster there are some out there who cannot see past their racist noses to the human catastrophe that is Grenfell Tower.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
You read too much into my post. But as you mentioned it - Maajid Nawaz read yesterday messages he was being sent when on air that were full of racial hatred 'not a white face in sight'; 'why all the headscarves' were of the least offensive type. So unfortunately it is there - even in the context of such a disaster there are some out there who cannot see past their racist noses to the human catastrophe that is Grenfell Tower.
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This post saddens me. You tar the majority with the feathers of the few.
 
Having spent most of the last two days on site, the situation in unimaginable. I've seen many many things in the last 17 years and the sights from the last two days are like nothing I've ever seen.
The photos don't compare to the scale of the situation and having spoken to some colleagues who were there on the night, having phones handed to them by relatives and trying to reassure people trapped inside as best they could.... those people have returned back to work there again today and many will tomorrow.
The painstaking, terrifying, respectful and heart wrenching job of recovery continues on now, after the politicians have gone and the promises made some very, very brave people ( not me ) will continue to do what they must, because if they don't.... who will... and mostly it's done without thanks, fanfare or adequate reward.
In the most part, the local Comunity have been amazing, all groups and faiths have truly come together, I do however despair at the rent a mob who were evident in trying to hijack those grieving and desperate for news to suit their own need for attention.
After getting home and another long shower, I sat in the garden with a cold beer and watched the golf.. thankful for my family asleep and a break before heading back again. A great many people are not so lucky. The only observation I will make ( in each major incident, be it this blaze, demonstrations or terrorist attacks, one emergency service takes the lead role and the majority of the work / expertise, but all have a specific role ) is that after the incidents so far this year , we are all struggling to manage demand and are very, very tired...
 
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Trojan615 said:
Having spent most of the last two days on site, the situation in unimaginable. I've seen many many things in the last 17 years and the sights from the last two days are like nothing I've ever seen.
The photos don't compare to the scale of the situation and having spoken to some colleagues who were there on the night, having phones handed to them by relatives and trying to reassure people trapped inside as best they could.... those people have returned back to work there again today and many will tomorrow.
The painstaking, terrifying, respectful and heart wrenching job of recovery continues on now, after the politicians have gone and the promises made some very, very brave people ( not me ) will continue to do what they must, because if they don't.... who will... and mostly it's done without thanks, fanfare or adequate reward.
In the most part, the local Comunity have been amazing, all groups and faiths have truly come together, I do however despair at the rent a mob who were evident in trying to hijack those grieving and desperate for news to suit their own need for attention.
After getting home and another long shower, I sat in the garden with a cold beer and watched the golf.. thankful for my family asleep and a break before heading back again. A great many people are not so lucky. The only observation I will make ( in each major incident, be it this blaze, demonstrations or terrorist attacks, one emergency service takes the lead role and the majority of the work / expertise, but all have a specific role ) is that after the incidents so far this year , we are all struggling to manage demand and are very, very tired...
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One of the most sincere, honest and respected posts I have read on here for a long long time, Fragger wrote the other week about us being a " dysfunctional" family on here. I could not agree with him more. Yourself like me and others have found that writing about our " crap" days just helps a little bit. It is something that others don't understand. But Dysfunctional describes all that.
At the end of this catastrophe I hope you can find the strength and experience both good and bad to help you in future unsavoury events.
Many thanks Tashyboy
 
As long as I live I will never understand why police, fire, doctors, nurses, etc do not get paid more for what they do.

Everyone knows it and yet the government does nothing about it. I'm sure they could find the money from somewhere so that the men and women in these roles get what they thoroughly deserve.
 
Tashyboy said:
One of the most sincere, honest and respected posts I have read on here for a long long time, Fragger wrote the other week about us being a " dysfunctional" family on here. I could not agree with him more. Yourself like me and others have found that writing about our " crap" days just helps a little bit. It is something that others don't understand. But Dysfunctional describes all that.
At the end of this catastrophe I hope you can find the strength and experience both good and bad to help you in future unsavoury events.
Many thanks Tashyboy
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Two good posts.
As a fireman for 31 years in London and Cheshire I have seen a few terrible tragedies but nothing on this scale.
I frequent a London Fire Brigade Retirees site and I can assure you all firefighters ,retired and still operational wish you the strength to do your job over the coming weeks.
Trojan what ever your duties are I wish you well.
 
Trojan615 said:
Having spent most of the last two days on site, the situation in unimaginable. I've seen many many things in the last 17 years and the sights from the last two days are like nothing I've ever seen.
The photos don't compare to the scale of the situation and having spoken to some colleagues who were there on the night, having phones handed to them by relatives and trying to reassure people trapped inside as best they could.... those people have returned back to work there again today and many will tomorrow.
The painstaking, terrifying, respectful and heart wrenching job of recovery continues on now, after the politicians have gone and the promises made some very, very brave people ( not me ) will continue to do what they must, because if they don't.... who will... and mostly it's done without thanks, fanfare or adequate reward.
In the most part, the local Comunity have been amazing, all groups and faiths have truly come together, I do however despair at the rent a mob who were evident in trying to hijack those grieving and desperate for news to suit their own need for attention.
After getting home and another long shower, I sat in the garden with a cold beer and watched the golf.. thankful for my family asleep and a break before heading back again. A great many people are not so lucky. The only observation I will make ( in each major incident, be it this blaze, demonstrations or terrorist attacks, one emergency service takes the lead role and the majority of the work / expertise, but all have a specific role ) is that after the incidents so far this year , we are all struggling to manage demand and are very, very tired...
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Thank you.
 
Hat's off to you Trojan, your colleagues and your families, I hope you are all getting the support you require now and for the foreseeable future.
 
sawtooth said:
As long as I live I will never understand why police, fire, doctors, nurses, etc do not get paid more for what they do.

Everyone knows it and yet the government does nothing about it. I'm sure they could find the money from somewhere so that the men and women in these roles get what they thoroughly deserve.
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bluewolf said:
Thank you.
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Those two words will often mean more than any financial compensation. We do (did) it out of a sense of duty and a desire to help others and to know you have been appreciated for it is reward enough.
 
Blue in Munich said:
Those two words will often mean more than any financial compensation. We do (did) it out of a sense of duty and a desire to help others and to know you have been appreciated for it is reward enough.
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As someone with family in the Police and the NHS I also know just how rare it is 👍
 
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