London Tower Block Fire

pokerjoke said:
I just find it staggering that someone would look at a thread knowing what its all about then probably reads what some say but cant get some simple words out.

With all the absolute BS that gets written on this site a simple "Thoughts with all concerned" would suffice.

Just like most threads and what we post that wont effect those effected just being Human should not be difficult.
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Whilst I don't want to argue as this is not the time, I do think your post was a bit harsh.

I read all posts last night but I felt so so sad for everybody involved and couldn't find any words to say.

But today I feel so angry! Angry that this has happened and should surely have been avoided.

I can't point any fingers at this time- it's too early for blame and we should wait for the outcome of the Public Inquiry.
 
Quite frankly for Thersa May to turn up and just talk to the emergency services sticks in my throat. What the emergency services did was nothing short of heroic. But the community has lost a lot of there own in this tragedy, and she could not see fit to walk and talk amongst them. For a PM who bragged that she would sooner talk to the people rather than appear live on tv is just BS. She should hang her head in shame.
 
Tashyboy said:
Quite frankly for Thersa May to turn up and just talk to the emergency services sticks in my throat. What the emergency services did was nothing short of heroic. But the community has lost a lot of there own in this tragedy, and she could not see fit to walk and talk amongst them. For a PM who bragged that she would sooner talk to the people rather than appear live on tv is just BS. She should hang her head in shame.
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Maybe at the time she visited it was, as Downing Street has said, to get a briefing from the emergency services to ensure that they had the resources they need. Similar to John Prescott in 1999 at the Paddington train crash. He didn't hang around to glad hand anybody, he got blue-lighted back to Downing Street to get back to work, probably just like Theresa May did.

And if she she should be hanging her head maybe she should have company; Harriet Harman has taken to Twitter to berate her over it. Political point scoring at this time off the back of a disaster beggars belief.
 
Blue in Munich said:
Maybe at the time she visited it was, as Downing Street has said, to get a briefing from the emergency services to ensure that they had the resources they need. Similar to John Prescott in 1999 at the Paddington train crash. He didn't hang around to glad hand anybody, he got blue-lighted back to Downing Street to get back to work, probably just like Theresa May did.

And if she she should be hanging her head maybe she should have company; Harriet Harman has taken to Twitter to berate her over it. Political point scoring at this time off the back of a disaster beggars belief.
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Very well said.
 
I'm sad and angry, very angry - but the bigger picture is how too many of those with power, control or money view those who don't as less worthy of attention and less worthy of listening to - that they should be happy with what they have got and shouldn't complain - and when they do don;t be surprised if you have difficulties. I think there will be a big shake-up of of residents and tenants rights, and the responsibility of owners, management companies and letting agents to recognise and deal with complaints or concerns.

My son has complained for months about the fire escape at his rented accommodation; about residents covering smoke detectors so they can smoke and cook in the rooms (all forbidden); fire doors being kept open; emergency lighting not working etc.

And he has largely been ignored. And what now? He rental contract is being terminated with one month notice because he is too noisy and smokes in his room - neither are true. But others have complained about issues and the management have decided that they have to do something - so that have terminated my sons rental agreement - good riddance nuisance and trouble maker they might well be thinking. My son is being used as a scapegoat.

And there appears to be nothing I can do for him - or that he can do. His contract allows this to happen.
 
Golfmmad said:
I can't point any fingers at this time- it's too early for blame and we should wait for the outcome of the Public Inquiry.
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No. The enquiry must happen with the speed that the fire took hold. Remember that there are thousands of people going to sleep (or trying to) in buildings like this throughout the country.
 
pokerjoke said:
I have been watching the news on and off all day and some of the stories and the pictures of the fire are unbelievable and shocking.

Maybe I'm wrong on this bit but I'm quite staggered by the amount of people that have visited this thread and have not posted any thoughts on what's happened:confused:
Life goes on and I understand that but for many tonight that is not the case.
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Guilty as charged... when there is a disaster resulting in a loss of life, especially on a large scale, I find it difficult to articulate what I think is an adequate response. Deeply distressing.

But I picked up the phone and rang our service manager in London. Do we have enough engineers in London to support the brigades with their BA equipment? Do we have stock of BA, thermal imaging and GD equipment we can ship? Do we need to ship a mobile workshop, inc cylinder filling equipment?

Just because someone doesn't post up doesn't mean they aren't affected by a tragedy?
 
Blue in Munich said:
Maybe at the time she visited it was, as Downing Street has said, to get a briefing from the emergency services to ensure that they had the resources they need. Similar to John Prescott in 1999 at the Paddington train crash. He didn't hang around to glad hand anybody, he got blue-lighted back to Downing Street to get back to work, probably just like Theresa May did.

And if she she should be hanging her head maybe she should have company; Harriet Harman has taken to Twitter to berate her over it. Political point scoring at this time off the back of a disaster beggars belief.
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If she did have a job to go back to so did Corbyn and the London Mayor Sadiq Khan, who both felt the brunt of the people's feelings. As downing st said? I really don't believe a single word of it, if she was there to make sure they had resources, she has people below her to do that. If it was resources she was interested in. No doubt she was told no we don't have enough resources due to cuts in services.
Re political point scoring, yup Harry Harman should be hanging her head as well
 
Blue in Munich said:
Maybe at the time she visited it was, as Downing Street has said, to get a briefing from the emergency services to ensure that they had the resources they need. Similar to John Prescott in 1999 at the Paddington train crash. He didn't hang around to glad hand anybody, he got blue-lighted back to Downing Street to get back to work, probably just like Theresa May did.

And if she she should be hanging her head maybe she should have company; Harriet Harman has taken to Twitter to berate her over it. Political point scoring at this time off the back of a disaster beggars belief.
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I'm not sure the fact that she had a 3 pm Outlook meeting reminder really cuts it as a reason not to 'glad hand' (or I would have said hear their concerns and feelings') the victims/community. She is the leader of this country, and leading involves facing up to some nasty things at times. Yes, I am sure a few people would probably of unleashed a volley of abuse at her and her advisers would have decided that footage of that would not have played very well on the 10 pm news. But at times that is what leadership is, front it up, don't hide away as she is getting a nasty reputation for doing just that. And the same for Prescott if that is what he did. Shameful spineless behaviour.

And it ain't just yoghurt knitters saying this http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...ow-humanity-grenfell-tower-visit-saysmichael/
 
Didn't know what to say really about it all and still don't but I'm utterly appalled that people are using a tradegy as some political point scoring exercise- should be utterly ashamed of yourselves.
 
Hacker Khan said:
I'm not sure the fact that she had a 3 pm Outlook meeting reminder really cuts it as a reason not to 'glad hand' (or I would have said hear their concerns and feelings') the victims/community. She is the leader of this country, and leading involves facing up to some nasty things at times. Yes, I am sure a few people would probably of unleashed a volley of abuse at her and her advisers would have decided that footage of that would not have played very well on the 10 pm news. But at times that is what leadership is, front it up, don't hide away as she is getting a nasty reputation for doing just that. And the same for Prescott if that is what he did. Shameful spineless behaviour.

And it ain't just yoghurt knitters saying this http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...ow-humanity-grenfell-tower-visit-saysmichael/
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Please can you stop this, people are still missing and probably dead. Political opportunity is nasty at a time like this.
 
Maybe May was going back to put into action some of the things she learned during her visit. Too many people are far too quick to judge because, a) it suits their political agenda, and b) they don't look beyond their own prejudices.
 
Liverpoolphil said:
Didn't know what to say really about it all and still don't but I'm utterly appalled that people are using a tradegy as some political point scoring exercise- should be utterly ashamed of yourselves.
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Point scoring.... Are you sure?

I'd say its folk showing some empathy, for the understandable anger from many of those more closely involved....


FWIW Holier than thou counts for nowt, really, at these times...
 
MegaSteve said:
Point scoring.... Are you sure?

I'd say its folk showing some empathy, for the understandable anger from many of those more closely involved....


FWIW Holier than thou counts for nowt, really, at these times...
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Yes point scoring and a number of people have highlighted it - people have died , many others are missing with worries of many passing away and some are more interested in the respective actions of Pm and Corbyn and passing judgement based on pictures

Maybe just for once it would be good if people can leave any political slant at the door during a very sad time.!
 
Liverpoolphil said:
Yes point scoring and a number of people have highlighted it - people have died , many others are missing with worries of many passing away and some are more interested in the respective actions of Pm and Corbyn and passing judgement based on pictures

Maybe just for once it would be good if people can leave any political slant at the door during a very sad time.!
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Which is fine in general - except many of those directly affected by this disaster want some answers from our politicians NOW. And if the government or local council are not providing the information the people want, that the people are not at least partially comforted, then it is the responsibility of others - including other political parties - to press and make the point on behalf of these people.

This is not political points scoring - this is standing up for the poorer and very dispossessed of our society - because those in power and in control seem to have ceased listening to that constituency.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
Which is fine in general - except many of those directly affected by this disaster want some answers from our politicians NOW. And if the government or local council are not providing the information the people want, that the people are not at least partially comforted, then it is the responsibility of others - including other political parties - to press and make the point on behalf of these people.

This is not political points scoring - this is standing up for the poorer and very dispossessed of our society - because those in power and in control seem to have ceased listening to that constituency.
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its easy for people to say you shouldn't be political in times like this. but the truth is this incident wouldn't have happened if Brandon lewis didn't quash calls for sprinklers to be mandatory on all buildings over 4 floors. he said it would cost too much money. which would be ok if they then didn't give themselves a 10% pay rise the following week.

one possitve outcome from this disaster is local authorities will find it almost impossible to deny future sprinkler system initiatives
 
Listening to Maajid Nawaz on LBC taking calls on this, and almost 100% from the ethnic British community.

And I feel they give me some hope for the UK - hearing their love, compassion, humanity and despair - their caring for each other - their anger at being British yet living in a society that allows this to happen.

'They' are Us . These are the British people many wish to see the back of, or many fewer of - when in fact in so many communities across the country they are in fact the holders and standard bearers of what we all together as British hold as important.

Precisely the opposite of what the 'haters' would like us to believe, and in stark contrast with the very un-British attitudes of so many British who would claim ownership of these values and a wish to protect them - while simultaneously undermining them.
 
hovis said:
one possitve outcome from this disaster is local authorities will find it almost impossible to deny future sprinkler system initiatives
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Hopefully....

The leader of the local authority was trying to blame lack of sprinklers with the residents... As there had been no demand for them during refurbishment... Now, I'd be thinking this is totally a decision for block owners/management to be taking...
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
'They' are Us . These are the British people many wish to see the back of, or many fewer of - when in fact in so many communities across the country they are in fact the holders and standard bearers of what we all together as British hold as important.

Precisely the opposite of what the 'haters' would like us to believe, and in stark contrast with the very un-British attitudes of so many British who would claim ownership of these values and a wish to protect them - while simultaneously undermining them.
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I don't want to take this thread off topic but I can't recall anyone on here saying they want to get rid of the people above. There is a huge difference between immigrants and ethnic groups that want to integrate and those that want to carry out vile attacks on innocent people. It is the latter that people want to 'get rid of'.
 
drive4show said:
I don't want to take this thread off topic but I can't recall anyone on here saying they want to get rid of the people above. There is a huge difference between immigrants and ethnic groups that want to integrate and those that want to carry out vile attacks on innocent people. It is the latter that people want to 'get rid of'.
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I wish that you were correct but I am not sure that you are. Some people seem not that fussy.
 
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