Living abroad

[SocketRocket]

Yes, but our young unemployed people living on benefits should be doing these useful jobs!

Absolutely. If we gave them the option of doing that work or no benefits like other countries then there would be a different work ethic. Also using low skiiled migrants drags down wages and makes these jobs less attractive.

 

[SocketRocket]

2.2 Million Brits live in EU countries, Spain by far the biggest with a million.

Yes but the majority are people that take nothing from the Spanish state and pay a great deal into the economy.

 

[delc]

Yes but the majority are people that take nothing from the Spanish state and pay a great deal into the economy.

That doesn't necessarily mean that they will be given any rights, or permanent residence there. I know that Brits are not that popular in Spain, because we force up property prices to the detriment of the locals, and don't always integrate that well (sound familiar)!

 

[Deleted member 15344]

That doesn't necessarily mean that they will be given any rights, or permanent residence there. I know that Brits are not that popular in Spain, because we force up property prices to the detriment of the locals, and don't always integrate that well (sound familiar)!

Do you "know that" or another generic statement lumping one and all together ?

 

[delc]

Do you "know that" or another generic statement lumping one and all together ?

I go to Spain quite often and can speak Spanish. Talking to the locals, they welcome us as tourists, but are less happy about us owning property and living there permanently.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I go to Spain quite often and can speak Spanish. Talking to the locals, they welcome us as tourists, but are less happy about us owning property and living there permanently.

So its another generic statement lumping all In together

 

[HomerJSimpson]

We don't need Romanians or Albanians, ever!

Parts of the UK are already looking like far eastern slums.

Bit strong

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Absolutely. If we gave them the option of doing that work or no benefits like other countries then there would be a different work ethic. Also using low skiiled migrants drags down wages and makes these jobs less attractive.

The issue is or own workforce prefer to scrounge on benefits and their isn't the deterrent or motivation (depending on your point of view) from the government to change. It makes it an open market for Poles etc to come in and get these menial jobs cleaning, etc that I am certain many British people who could work, think is beneath them.

How can it drag wages down if they are on minimum wage anyway and how does it make the job less attractive. An employer simply wants it filled and if an unemployed Brit isn't prepared to get off benefits and do it why not give it to someone that will. Most of the Poles, Romanian, Hungarian and Croatians in the hospital portering, cleaning, working in stores all put in a decent days work. The adverts were all there for Brits to apply to but not many ever do

 

[delc]

I carry a European Health Insurance Card (EHIC) which entitles me to at least basic medical health care in other EU countries. What happens to that if we leave the EU?

 

[delc]

The issue is or own workforce prefer to scrounge on benefits and their isn't the deterrent or motivation (depending on your point of view) from the government to change. It makes it an open market for Poles etc to come in and get these menial jobs cleaning, etc that I am certain many British people who could work, think is beneath them.

How can it drag wages down if they are on minimum wage anyway and how does it make the job less attractive. An employer simply wants it filled and if an unemployed Brit isn't prepared to get off benefits and do it why not give it to someone that will. Most of the Poles, Romanian, Hungarian and Croatians in the hospital portering, cleaning, working in stores all put in a decent days work. The adverts were all there for Brits to apply to but not many ever do

If there was a shortage of applicants for these positions and no cheap foreign labour to fill them, then employers might have to offer higher rates of pay to attract people in! Simple supply and demand in the Capitalist World!

 

[Deleted member 15344]

If there was a shortage of applicants for these positions and no cheap foreign labour to fill them, then employers might have to offer higher rates of pay to attract people in! Simple supply and demand in the Capitalist World!

And how would the employers be able to pay the higher wages - yep that's right the cost goes onto the consumer despite the product not being any better.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

If there was a shortage of applicants for these positions and no cheap foreign labour to fill them, then employers might have to offer higher rates of pay to attract people in! Simple supply and demand in the Capitalist World!

And yet NHS pay remains capped so a cleaning job at band 1 is still going to be banded as band 1 and employers have little leeway to pay differently. Bottom line is in my opinion Brits seem happier in some (not all) cases to carry on with the handouts and a life on the dole rather than getting a foothold in the employment market while others from abroad are far less precious about the work they do to provide for their families

 

[delc]

And yet NHS pay remains capped so a cleaning job at band 1 is still going to be banded as band 1 and employers have little leeway to pay differently. Bottom line is in my opinion Brits seem happier in some (not all) cases to carry on with the handouts and a life on the dole rather than getting a foothold in the employment market while others from abroad are far less precious about the work they do to provide for their families

I am sure that grades could be adjusted nationally if there was a shortage of staff.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

I am sure that grades could be adjusted nationally if there was a shortage of staff.

Doubt it very much. National shortages of nurses, midwives and radiographer a but no change in their banding to bring more in so it ain't going to happen for cooking or cleaning roles

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I am sure that grades could be adjusted nationally if there was a shortage of staff.

Well they can if they increase your taxes :thup:

 

[Deleted member 16999]

And yet NHS pay remains capped so a cleaning job at band 1 is still going to be banded as band 1 and employers have little leeway to pay differently. Bottom line is in my opinion Brits seem happier in some (not all) cases to carry on with the handouts and a life on the dole rather than getting a foothold in the employment market while others from abroad are far less precious about the work they do to provide for their families

Or maybe it's regional as our hospitals up North are not full of foreigners doing these jobs. Part of the issue is our "low" wage is a far better wage than what they'd receive for the same job in their own Country, therefore financially to them it makes sense to come here, it's not always about work ethic, sometimes it's simply financial.