That is the most sensible post I've seen of yours. MAYBE, MAYBE NOT LET'S WAIT AND SEE. unlike the last 50 pages where you've called arsenal the best there is was or ever will be with an era of dominance imminent.
Liverpool - It's not looking too bad in the transfer market
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That is the most sensible post I've seen of yours. MAYBE, MAYBE NOT LET'S WAIT AND SEE. unlike the last 50 pages where you've called arsenal the best there is was or ever will be with an era of dominance imminent.
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For Wenger to be amongst the best then he must add the top European trophies to his CV just like the others have
Until then he will be amongst the best of the rest
JCW
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my views unfounded , read the thread again , goal post moved so much nobody scored , nite nite
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No different to the Liverpool fans sayin they were the best and so is rogers after one 2nd place finished , nite
Liverbirdie
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If we have, cant remember you. Where was it. Did I see you play?
You may not look like one, but you certainly sound like one.
Answer me one question, if Arsene is so great (he was for 10 years), he was average the rest, how come half your fans wanted him out before last seasons FA cup win.
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JCW, I don't believe anybody has said Rodgers is the best at all.
Your comparison between Wenger and Rodgers is poor as Wenger has at least 20yrs on him so obviously his record is going to be better than Rodgers.
Why not compare Wenger and Ferguson over the same period as thats a more fair comparison?
Wenger and his fans boast about his great record in qualifying for the CL yet he's been to 1 final in 18 attempts and lost that!!
Rafa Benitez has won more CL's and been to more final's with lesser talented squads than your great manager and sides.
Liverpool FC have failed miserably in the league over the years compared with the mighty Wenger and Arsenal, though theres been an awful lot of boardroom level issues at Liverpool during that time.
You also state that we NEED a bigger stadium, i'd disagree. T
The only reason i see is financially which is pure utter GREED. That's it.
Arsenal's stadium is now paid for, will the fans see a reduction in ticket prices?
Pores diving for last minute penalties in the invincible team. Suarez last season?????
Im just saying that for as great a team as that was. I remember Pires and his histrionics as much as they're football.
londonlewis
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In my opinion, to say that Arsene Wenger is not a top class manager is crazy.
His record is excellent and in terms of games won, drawn and lost in the premiership he is on a par with Ferguson. He just hasn't had the trophies to elevate him to legendary status.
He also signed Thierry Henry and turned him into one of the best strikers in the game whereas he was used as a pacey winger with no eye for goal before that.
He has also spotted and developed some of the best young talent in the game and won the premiership without being defeated.
He didn't inherit a good team. In the years before Wenger joined Arsenal finished 12th, 4th, 11th, 4th. Hardly a consistent team that was challenging for the premiership. Since taking them over he has never finished lower than 5th (once in his first season) and has managed to win the premiership 3 times.
On top of 3 premier league titles he has managed to win 9 other trophies (5x FA cup, 4x Charity Shield). Hardly a poor record.
Brendan Rodgers:
Too early to tell - he has only been a manager for 6 years and has only been at the helm of a big club since 2012. Time will tell if he is a good manager or not. And currently you can't say that success at Liverpool is solely down to him as he inherited the club 2 seasons ago so a lot of the infrastructure was already in place.
His record is excellent and in terms of games won, drawn and lost in the premiership he is on a par with Ferguson. He just hasn't had the trophies to elevate him to legendary status.
He also signed Thierry Henry and turned him into one of the best strikers in the game whereas he was used as a pacey winger with no eye for goal before that.
He has also spotted and developed some of the best young talent in the game and won the premiership without being defeated.
He didn't inherit a good team. In the years before Wenger joined Arsenal finished 12th, 4th, 11th, 4th. Hardly a consistent team that was challenging for the premiership. Since taking them over he has never finished lower than 5th (once in his first season) and has managed to win the premiership 3 times.
On top of 3 premier league titles he has managed to win 9 other trophies (5x FA cup, 4x Charity Shield). Hardly a poor record.
Brendan Rodgers:
Too early to tell - he has only been a manager for 6 years and has only been at the helm of a big club since 2012. Time will tell if he is a good manager or not. And currently you can't say that success at Liverpool is solely down to him as he inherited the club 2 seasons ago so a lot of the infrastructure was already in place.
The only part I'd argue about that is this idea that Wenger is some sort of youth team genius. Arsenal have or usually have the largest squad numbers by some distance. Arsenal recruit 100's of youngsters on good wages and them discard them. How many players have actually come right through arsenals youth set up as a pose to being stolen from other clubs.
Re his record. He's probably the 2/3 best prem manager all time. That's how I'd think of him. Clearly behind Fergie as their win ratios may be similar but fergie won the big games more often and therefor got the trophies.
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We shook hands , you don`t kow me well enough to make comments , like i say to a lot of people , if its a comment you wont make in person to someone dont post it , I can say comments about your post in a personal way but choose not too ,................. liverpool fans have been 2nd best to the Manchester clubs and london clubs for so long now that it has gone beyond hurt , most of you posting on here remember the great times of Liverpool FC and you need a bigger stadium to increase your spending power to complete with the big boys in transfers , you only spending now because you sold LS and then what .......a rich russian owner needed or an arab , Arsenal did not have to leave Highbury but like every growing Business it needs to expand and has done that and will now push on far ahead of liverpool , do you think a player like Sanchez would have gone to arsenal if the liverpool of today was as strong as the club of the 70`s & 80`s , RM and Barca already have the stadiums as to BM , how many managers could have kept Arsenal at the top table every year under such restraints and he could have left as RM and PSG wanted him , Rogers is the best young manager around that is British and has done well but these days you need money and lots of it , if you have a business and more money to spent you can buy products on a bigger scale then the shop down the road who has not and you get bigger discounts on your products and can can sell them cheaper then down the road so in the end they cant complete with you , that how it is and why Arsenal choose to move and in a recent report the cash reserve at Arsenal is more then ALL the clubs in the PL , that is a fact , the rest are living on credit or rich owner pumping money in for fun , tax reasons , or cleaning dirty money , who knows , most of us live the Arsenal way , that is within our means , off to play golf now in a comp , just leave you with this , If i were a business i rather be Arsenal then any of the other clubs ......................EYG
londonlewis
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Hold on a second. You just complained about someone saying something offensive about you and you then write this.
londonlewis
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I never said that Arsene and Arsenal have developed their own youth talent. I simply stated he has a record of buying young players and developing them into good players.
Arsenal recruit 100's of youngsters. Is that a fact? 76.5% of stats are made up on the spot you know.
No it's not an exact number. But if you take a look at their list of released players each season they consistently have more than others. That's a fact I've seen having had this question with other. Wenger steals talent. Luke shaw for example will become a great lb. Will it be van gaal that's responsible for that, or the saints academy?
same for Ox, Walcott etc.
londonlewis
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I've just had a look at the transfer records for all prem clubs since 1999. Arsenal have not consistently released more players than other clubs at all. Papas - you can't just make stuff up and claim it as fact. Well you can, but it really affects the legitimacy of any of your arguments.
It doesn't matter whether Wenger develops youth himself or buys youth players to develop. He has a strong record for buying younger players before they have reached their potential. He did this at a time when his contemporaries were buying big name players who were already recognised as talent.
how ow many youngsters has wenger made truly world stars from nowhere. Fabregas Henry, Viera?
id say wengers only true competition due to time would be fergie. I'd say he did just as well with the entire crop of youngsters that went np to dominate in the prem. Could add others such as stam and Ronaldo to that list too so I'd hardly put wenger as a stand out.
Take a look here.
http://www.transferleague.co.uk/premiership-transfers/arsenal-transfers.html
since the arsenal have had the stadium to deal with look how many players arsenal have released on frees. You songsters that he's taken a ount on that haven't worked. I believe I counted 47 that went for free or nominal. Twice as many in 5 years than man UTD.
londonlewis
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Papas - for me, your credibility on this thread has gone down hill, I am afraid.
How so?
Tell me how many more stars wenger has unearthed? Since the prem began. Net spend UTD have spent approx £10m a year more and their success is how much greater? Wenger has also as I've shown bought and released more unkonwns than his counterparts. Throughout this thread about Liverpool I have acknowledged wenger as a good manager. I just believe there are certain myths about him. I remember arsenal villa last season when more than a minority of arsenal fans turned on him too.