Liverpool - It's not looking too bad in the transfer market

JCW said:
Liverpoolphil said:
But Liverpool never won the cup winners cup , never , and thats a stat that will never change ....................EYG
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That's because we were very rarely in it due to competing in the European Cup year in year out

But you have your cup winners cup - well done - think that puts you alongside Aberdeen in amongst the teams.

All the great teams and great managers have won the big one - the European Cup and CL. All of them are amongst the winners - Arsenal and Wenger aren't on that list.
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So you won't acknowledge Wenger and Arsenal made footballing history and not just won a title? Or Chelsea are better than Liverpool based on their CL and PL success. I thought you were a football fan but the Liverpool blinkers are firmly on. I'm out
 
HomerJSimpson said:
Sorry Phil. You simply choose to ignore it wasn't just a title but footballing history

I would have thought most football fans irrespective of who they support would at least be able to respect the achievement and not just glibly write it off as a single title win and bounce it back to CL which isn't the topic. JCW and I are both debating PL performance and nothing to do with the CL at all. That said Chelsea have won the CL so are they a better side than Liverpool? More trophies at home and in Europe
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How can I be ignoring it when I have said it's a good season ?! Sorry but am I supposed to say something else ?

Sorry but when did Chelsea suddenly get more trophies than us both in Europe and in England ?
 
Sorry, How much have Chelsea won compared to Liverpool over the last ten years home and abroad. You can't rest on the laurels of the past and back track to those halcyon days when the statistics don't back your argument. Sorry good season is winning PL. Historic something far more

You are too blinkered and moving the goalposts too often to make this a worthwhile debate anymore. I'm done now
 
HomerJSimpson said:
JCW I have to agree. No mention of a historic feat and all about the CL. I can't see how he can't be amongst the best with that season, two top two's four top threes and nothing worse than 4th
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It was a great season and i was at 2 matches , the CL is a knockout comp but even the liverpool win was on pens like man u and chelsea , it is what it is and these days its all fixed to get the best clubs going forward to the later rounds where in years gone by it was only the champions that played in it and now even the draw is kinda fix , i like to see it go back to an open draw . Arsenal winning the PL unbeaten is the stuff of dreams and Wenger is the only modern day manager to have that on his CV and it does not make him the greatest manager but he is up there with the Best , Sir Alec is too as is Paisley, Clough , Jock Stein who by the way was the 1st British manager to win it .....................EYG
 
HomerJSimpson said:
Sorry, How much have Chelsea won compared to Liverpool over the last ten years home and abroad. You can't rest on the laurels of the past and back track to those halcyon days when the statistics don't back your argument. Sorry good season is winning PL. Historic something far more

You are too blinkered and moving the goalposts too often to make this a worthwhile debate anymore. I'm done now
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Are you actually done or will you be back to debate two teams you have zero interest in ?

Chelsea in the last ten years have been more successful than us - don't believe anyone has suggested they aren't - not sure exactly which goalposts you believe I have moved

I believe Wenger isn't one of the best the game has seen - simple as that , regardless of one season.
 
Pin-seeker said:
Change the record mate,gets boring listening to you playing the victims all the time:rolleyes:
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Don't like that phrase, quite offensive actually.

As for changing the record, do you realise how much you bore the pants off everyone, with your Liverpool sniping. Both Liverpool and non-Liverpool fans.
 
Liverpoolphil said:
Why is it different ? Liverpool dominated in the 70's and 80's and Man UTD did in the 90's and 00's but we just didn't dominate in a England we dominated in Europe - 3 European Cup wins in 9 years from one manager - something Ferguson can't touch - a major title every season he was manager.

Imagine what he could have achieved if he stayed on for 26 years - immeasurable.

Fergusons number will be more - he stayed for 19 more seasons. Would certainly expect a bit more European Trophies

We can go around all night but Paisley is always going to be up there
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Phil there are no guarantees. We could imagine he'd of won 50 titles. Or as that team fell away, not been good enough (as Fergie was) to completely rebuild. I'd also question the European cup comparison. Not devaluing your wins at all. But in the last 20 years how many teams have dominated like you did. It's harder to win these days. Even the greatest team of all time according to many pundits could do two in a row with a fully fit Messi.
 
Papas1982 said:
Phil there are no guarantees. We could imagine he'd of won 50 titles. Or as that team fell away, not been good enough (as Fergie was) to completely rebuild. I'd also question the European cup comparison. Not devaluing your wins at all. But in the last 20 years how many teams have dominated like you did. It's harder to win these days. Even the greatest team of all time according to many pundits could do two in a row with a fully fit Messi.
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I know There are no guarantees hence why i said could - but even then the team went on to dominate for another 8 years with another EC plus more titles added.

You can question the European cup comparison but it was bloody hard to win it back then - full knockout with only the champs in it - it was different but and just as hard as it is now.
 
JCW said:
Liverpool got Rogers , spent as much as they want and win nothink because the manager is rubbish as he showed last year , played all that pretty football and won a big zero , need to spent on a new manager ......................hang on , no more money as they have spent the LS money and there is no LS , so its mid table for them next season ................EYG
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These are the rantings of a child.
 
Liverpoolphil said:
I know There are no guarantees hence why i said could - but even then the team went on to dominate for another 8 years with another EC plus more titles added.

You can question the European cup comparison but it was bloody hard to win it back then - full knockout with only the champs in it - it was different but and just as hard as it is now.
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Its harder to win the PL unbeaten and only one manager Wenger has done that , G Graham Nearly did losing one game 2-1 at chelsea in 91 but that was the old league title , Champions league has been won by many and that is a stat , no amount of goal post moving or trophy count will change ..................EYG
 
Liverpoolphil said:
I know There are no guarantees hence why i said could - but even then the team went on to dominate for another 8 years with another EC plus more titles added.

You can question the European cup comparison but it was bloody hard to win it back then - full knockout with only the champs in it - it was different but and just as hard as it is now.
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I'm not saying it wasn't difficult. Just in my opinion not quite as difficult as now. Hence no back to back wins and there have been some great clubs sides in that time. But I will hold my hands up and say I shot my reply out before I read a yours. And to your credit said he was as Good as Fergie. You didn't start the debate on him being better. So I'll not go on as I agree both in their own right are great. As to Arsenal n webger. I think he's destroyed a lot of his creditability. Yeah he did well with financial difficulties. But in 30 years it will show his record. Not his book keeping skills.
 
JCW said:
Its harder to win the PL unbeaten and only one manager Wenger has done that , G Graham Nearly did losing one game 2-1 at chelsea in 91 but that was the old league title , Champions league has been won by many and that is a stat , no amount of goal post moving or trophy count will change ..................EYG
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Going unbeaten was GREAT but that doesn't change the fact that after that era you have until this season won nothing.
And even that season you had the filthy Pires diving last minute to win point saving draws.

I believe your points tally isn't even top 3 in prep history either.

We get if he'd retired 10 years ago may have been heralded a great. But now he'll need to manage another 10 tears winning a trophy each season to get close to that recognition.
 
JCW said:
We have met , do i look like a child or play golf like one , google the nearest spec savers store and try again ..................EYG
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Mature. He was simply pointing out that your ramblings were unfounded and sounded like that of a child. Google reasoned debate and maybe get a clue.
 
JCW said:
Liverpoolphil said:
But Liverpool never won the cup winners cup , never , and thats a stat that will never change ....................EYG
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Thank god, it was the third best trophy anyway.

When you finished champions or second most years, you went into the Champions cup and the UEFA.

8 of them BTW in total - European royalty, not a minor count, a bit like Arsenal.
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Papas1982 said:
I'm not saying it wasn't difficult. Just in my opinion not quite as difficult as now. Hence no back to back wins and there have been some great clubs sides in that time. But I will hold my hands up and say I shot my reply out before I read a yours. And to your credit said he was as Good as Fergie. You didn't start the debate on him being better. So I'll not go on as I agree both in their own right are great. As to Arsenal n webger. I think he's destroyed a lot of his creditability. Yeah he did well with financial difficulties. But in 30 years it will show his record. Not his book keeping skills.
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He is not done yet , part 3 is just starting , FA Cup and more to come or maybe not but its wait and see .................EYG
 
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