Liverpool - It's not looking too bad in the transfer market

[MadAdey]

Why when ever ere is a football thread it always ends up with the same 2 people arguing. I started this thread as a chat between e Liverpool fans, or anyone else that wants to comment, to see how they think the transfer window is looking. Everyone knows at Liverpool had an excellent season last year but needed to strengthen the squad, not just for the PL but if they are going to compete in the CL too.

People need to take their petty squabbling elsewhere, as sensible comments from other fans to give the unblinkered opinion is always interesting to read, but the petty squabbling isn't. Intact it actually gets boring to when threads just fill up with pointless crap. It was good talking football on here as it was always people with a good intelligence level having adult conversations, unlike the arguing on the footie forums. Now it just seems like that pettiness has moved here.

I would just like to say thanks for yet another footie thread being wrecked.

 

[Pin-seeker]

Why when ever ere is a football thread it always ends up with the same 2 people arguing. I started this thread as a chat between e Liverpool fans, or anyone else that wants to comment, to see how they think the transfer window is looking. Everyone knows at Liverpool had an excellent season last year but needed to strengthen the squad, not just for the PL but if they are going to compete in the CL too.

People need to take their petty squabbling elsewhere, as sensible comments from other fans to give the unblinkered opinion is always interesting to read, but the petty squabbling isn't. Intact it actually gets boring to when threads just fill up with pointless crap. It was good talking football on here as it was always people with a good intelligence level having adult conversations, unlike the arguing on the footie forums. Now it just seems like that pettiness has moved here.

I would just like to say thanks for yet another footie thread being wrecked.

Fair point mate & I apologise,You do post honestly about you're club & I can see where you're coming from.

 

[Deleted member 1740]

Well, out of that they have to pay some pretty expensive bills! I think the overall profit to May 2013 was £15M. But at least they did make a profit, something some other Clubs (and their fans), Liverpool being one of them, don't appear to be concerned about!

And greater income, therefore ability to compete, was certainly part of the reasoning behind the move/bigger stadium!

What I'm more concerned about is clubs and owners making millions whilst us the fans are being ripped a new one with sky high ticket prices that is pricing people out of attending games.

People talk about salary caps etc but the 1st thing that should be capped is ticket prices , football should be accessible to all.

I appreciate that clubs need as much revenue as possible to compete but it shouldn't come at a cost to the fans. Especially with the amount of revenue they're already taking in through sponsorship

Look how Cheap the German fans can access football compared to English fans.

If and its a very big if FFP is policed correctly then yes Arsenals model will survive better than most.

On a side note look at how United have been taken over by "foreign investors" and those investors have put very little of their own cash into it,yet placed a massive amount of debt onto the club.

Bigger stadiums,with greater revenue and sponsorship should mean cheaper tickets.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

What I'm more concerned about is clubs and owners making millions whilst us the fans are being ripped a new one with sky high ticket prices that is pricing people out of attending games.

People talk about salary caps etc but the 1st thing that should be capped is ticket prices , football should be accessible to all.

I appreciate that clubs need as much revenue as possible to compete but it shouldn't come at a cost to the fans. Especially with the amount of revenue they're already taking in through sponsorship

Look how Cheap the German fans can access football compared to English fans.

If and its a very big if FFP is policed correctly then yes Arsenals model will survive better than most.

On a side note look at how United have been taken over by "foreign investors" and those investors have put very little of their own cash into it,yet placed a massive amount of debt onto the club.

Bigger stadiums,with greater revenue and sponsorship should mean cheaper tickets.

German Football get a big helping hand financially from local governments and the overall government

Bayern new stadium for example cost them nothing to build , costs them nothing to run yet they get the proceeds from the matches etc

The German model is great for the fans but unworkable in the UK

 

[MadAdey]

Fair point mate & I apologise,You do post honestly about you're club & I can see where you're coming from.

I do love a good debate on football, but why do people have to be so blinkered about things. This is a list of how I see the top teams and these facts are beyond arguement, but open for debate:


City: won it last year and got to be a favourite again this year. Sugar daddy owner with the ability to pump as much money in as he wants. Not a long list of honours historically, but doing well the last couple of years.


Chelsea: favourite again this year. Sugar daddy owner like City. Not a long list of honours historically but won plenty in recent years. Lampard replacement signed and the illusive striker they missed last year is there.


Arsenal: not sure how much of a favourite this year. Have always been a team at the top end of the table since time began. Had a historic season that I think will never be matched. Still looking for that elusive CL title though, but now the stadium is paid off there will be more money for team investment. Long history of success but been thin on the ground in recent years. Sanchez is a great signing but still wondering where the midfield general is going to come from. But there is still time for that.


United: not sure what this season holds, can they bring in the players they need? Great history of honours and very successful in recent times too. Money is there to spend, but no CL footie to temp players with. Could be an interesting season for them, but with a good coach in now and with some more good signings they will defiantly be back up there challenging.

Liverpool: 2nd last year and looking for another good season. Suarez has gone but major investment in the 1st team and squad in general being made. Plenty of money still sat there to make a couple of big signings to have a good season in both the CL and PL. Long history of honours that is amost second to none, but apart from a CL title and some cups, the last 20 years have been a bit bleak.

 

[Pin-seeker]

I do love a good debate on football, but why do people have to be so blinkered about things. This is a list of how I see the top teams and these facts are beyond arguement, but open for debate:


City: won it last year and got to be a favourite again this year. Sugar daddy owner with the ability to pump as much money in as he wants. Not a long list of honours historically, but doing well the last couple of years.


Chelsea: favourite again this year. Sugar daddy owner like City. Not a long list of honours historically but won plenty in recent years. Lampard replacement signed and the illusive striker they missed last year is there.


Arsenal: not sure how much of a favourite this year. Have always been a team at the top end of the table since time began. Had a historic season that I think will never be matched. Still looking for that elusive CL title though, but now the stadium is paid off there will be more money for team investment. Long history of success but been thin on the ground in recent years. Sanchez is a great signing but still wondering where the midfield general is going to come from. But there is still time for that.


United: not sure what this season holds, can they bring in the players they need? Great history of honours and very successful in recent times too. Money is there to spend, but no CL footie to temp players with. Could be an interesting season for them, but with a good coach in now and with some more good signings they will defiantly be back up there challenging.

Liverpool: 2nd last year and looking for another good season. Suarez has gone but major investment in the 1st team and squad in general being made. Plenty of money still sat there to make a couple of big signings to have a good season in both the CL and PL. Long history of honours that is amost second to none, but apart from a CL title and some cups, the last 20 years have been a bit bleak.

I think all that Chelsea was missing last season was a top striker,With the arrival of Costa & return of Drogba I can't wait for the season to start. Would have liked Lukaku to stay tho.
I have no doubts about Fabregas,Quality player.

Arsenal look Dangerous,Ramsey is world class IMO. Walcott,Ozil,Sanchez.... Also top players.

City will probably start as they finished & be the team to beat.

UTD will be much stronger. The new manager demands respect from his players, Moyes just didn't have it. Top 4 finish.

Liverpool sorry but I really don't think Rogers is spending the money well.not one exciting signing IMO.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I do love a good debate on football, but why do people have to be so blinkered about things. This is a list of how I see the top teams and these facts are beyond arguement, but open for debate:


City: won it last year and got to be a favourite again this year. Sugar daddy owner with the ability to pump as much money in as he wants. Not a long list of honours historically, but doing well the last couple of years.


Chelsea: favourite again this year. Sugar daddy owner like City. Not a long list of honours historically but won plenty in recent years. Lampard replacement signed and the illusive striker they missed last year is there.


Arsenal: not sure how much of a favourite this year. Have always been a team at the top end of the table since time began. Had a historic season that I think will never be matched. Still looking for that elusive CL title though, but now the stadium is paid off there will be more money for team investment. Long history of success but been thin on the ground in recent years. Sanchez is a great signing but still wondering where the midfield general is going to come from. But there is still time for that.


United: not sure what this season holds, can they bring in the players they need? Great history of honours and very successful in recent times too. Money is there to spend, but no CL footie to temp players with. Could be an interesting season for them, but with a good coach in now and with some more good signings they will defiantly be back up there challenging.

Liverpool: 2nd last year and looking for another good season. Suarez has gone but major investment in the 1st team and squad in general being made. Plenty of money still sat there to make a couple of big signings to have a good season in both the CL and PL. Long history of honours that is amost second to none, but apart from a CL title and some cups, the last 20 years have been a bit bleak.

City - Will be favourites and think they will win the league a lot easier this season - have strengthened in the right areas and their squad is a world apart

Chelsea - I think Costa is a one season wonder and will not score the goals needed to take them past City - Not sure where Fabregas fits as he got rid of Mata who is the same sort of player. Drogba - well bit desperate to bring him back - expect them to be around 2nd or 3rd

Arsenal - The same as every season -not strengthening the areas that they really need - Sanchez will add a cutting edge but will expect them to tail off - 4th

Utd - lack a lot of quality in that squad - a lot of poo needed polishing in that squad - so many holes at the back and in the middle - 5th i reckon

US - losing Suarez was a blow - quite happy with the signings - think Can and Markovic will be very good but need time - think we still need two or three players - a quality CM and another striker - think we will end up 3rd

 

[Deleted member 1740]

German Football get a big helping hand financially from local governments and the overall government

Bayern new stadium for example cost them nothing to build , costs them nothing to run yet they get the proceeds from the matches etc

The German model is great for the fans but unworkable in the UK

I'm not saying we should follow them outright but we should certainly take a leaf out of their book re ticket prices. There is enough money in football for ticket prices to be affordable.

Most fans are being shafted and there has to come a time where the authorities take responsibility and sort it out.

 

[Foxholer]

I do love a good debate on football, but why do people have to be so blinkered about things.

Because that is the nature of the true Fan!

Yet again it has to be pointed out that Arsenal has not paid off the stadium! There's something like £240m outstanding and this won't be paid off until 2031 - current rates are £6m Capital, 13m Interest. There are apparently penalties if it paid off earlier!

It's manageable and there may have been some bond-holders paid off in the last couple of years, but it's only the likes of the Daily Mail that pushes the notion that it's actually paid off!

They are, of course, completely free of any potential FFP trouble - unlike some other Clubs!

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I'm not saying we should follow them outright but we should certainly take a leaf out of their book re ticket prices. There is enough money in football for ticket prices to be affordable.

Most fans are being shafted and there has to come a time where the authorities take responsibility and sort it out.

The problem is clubs cant afford to lower their prices - its a massive snowball effect coming from players wages , transfer fees , running costs of the club - Arsenals tickets are so high to help them pay off the stadium.

If tickets are reduced the the money will need to be made up from somewhere else ?

Thats how German club allow fans to be able to buy Season Tickets for £150 - their outgoings are far far less

 

[Deleted member 1740]

The problem is clubs cant afford to lower their prices - its a massive snowball effect coming from players wages , transfer fees , running costs of the club - Arsenals tickets are so high to help them pay off the stadium.

If tickets are reduced the the money will need to be made up from somewhere else ?

Thats how German club allow fans to be able to buy Season Tickets for £150 - their outgoings are far far less

I understand your point but I'm sure clubs could afford to lower ticket prices if they lowered wages and crazy transfer fees.

But whilst nothing gets done about it ticket prices will increase because clubs can't afford to reduce them.

I wonder how long it will be until the 1st £100 league ticket will be?

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I understand your point but I'm sure clubs could afford to lower ticket prices if they lowered wages and crazy transfer fees.

But whilst nothing gets done about it ticket prices will increase because clubs can't afford to reduce them.

I wonder how long it will be until the 1st £100 league ticket will be?

Already has been a £100 league ticket - at Arsenal

Whilst the money comes in from Sky etc the players will want their share - they dont want to miss out so if teams want the better players then need to pay the big wages to get the better team to attract the fans etc - vicious circle of money

Other clubs around Europe can afford the pay the high wages and keep the ticket prices down - English clubs cant

 

[Pin-seeker]

I understand your point but I'm sure clubs could afford to lower ticket prices if they lowered wages and crazy transfer fees.

But whilst nothing gets done about it ticket prices will increase because clubs can't afford to reduce them.

I wonder how long it will be until the 1st £100 league ticket will be?

Transfer fees seemed to calm down a bit,obviously the top players were going for big money but now £20m+ just seems to get you a decent player.

 

[Foxholer]

Bigger stadiums,with greater revenue and sponsorship should mean cheaper tickets.

If you think that is ever likely to happen, then it demonstrates fans are more blinkered than even I thought!

As for a 'German style' model, West Ham are scheduled to move into Olympic Stadium in 2016. Of course, that won't reduce their (season) ticket prices!

 

[Deleted member 1740]

Already has been a £100 league ticket - at Arsenal

Whilst the money comes in from Sky etc the players will want their share - they dont want to miss out so if teams want the better players then need to pay the big wages to get the better team to attract the fans etc - vicious circle of money

Other clubs around Europe can afford the pay the high wages and keep the ticket prices down - English clubs cant

Really?

Greed by any chance??

Its all about making a profit and lining there own pockets.

Footballers get paid handsomely enough so when sponsorship increases, surely the fans should benefit from the windfall?

 

[Deleted member 1740]

If you think that is ever likely to happen, then it demonstrates fans are more blinkered than even I thought!

As for a 'German style' model, West Ham are scheduled to move into Olympic Stadium in 2016. Of course, that won't reduce their (season) ticket prices!

Bigger stadiums,with greater revenue and sponsorship should mean cheaper tickets.:thup:

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Really?

Greed by any chance??

Its all about making a profit and lining there own pockets.

Footballers get paid handsomely enough so when sponsorship increases, surely the fans should benefit from the windfall?

But how many clubs actually make a profit overall - how many owners take home a nice juicy profit each year ? - pretty much none.

In fact most owners have piled millions upon millions into their clubs.

The profit is possibly made when they sell up.

Yes tickets should but would mean a reduction in the quality on the pitch.

the ticket prices are high to pay for the players fees and wages and pay of debts and stadiums etc

 

[Deleted member 1740]

Transfer fees seemed to calm down a bit,obviously the top players were going for big money but now £20m+ just seems to get you a decent player.

I know its madness.

Its the ignorant response from clubs,we can't afford to do it, our competitors charge £xxx , a trip to the theatre costs £xxx etc etc that really get up my nose.

 

[Deleted member 1740]

But how many clubs actually make a profit overall - how many owners take home a nice juicy profit each year ? - pretty much none.

In fact most owners have piled millions upon millions into their clubs.

The profit is possibly made when they sell up.

Yes tickets should but would mean a reduction in the quality on the pitch.

the ticket prices are high to pay for the players fees and wages and pay of debts and stadiums etc

Not if there was a proper regulated system in place it wouldn't.

I can remember 2 yanks and their families at Liverpool fleecing the club left right and centre.

I bet the Glazers have certainly had something out of United after putting very little in.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Because that is the nature of the true Fan!

The problem is the blinkers go on and there's an awful lot of rubbish written but people also fail to appreciate valid points. I got bored of people not even acknowledging key points to counter arguments. It happens a lot on football threads here and a shame as there are some passionate fans who talk with sense but others who are too blinded by their support for their own side. I can't see it changing anytime soon sadly.