Liverpool - It's not looking too bad in the transfer market

Stuart_C said:
Not if there was a proper regulated system in place it wouldn't.

I can remember 2 yanks and their families at Liverpool fleecing the club left right and centre.

I bet the Glazers have certainly had something out of United after putting very little in.
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They attempted to fleece the club but failed - they walked away loosing a lot of money.

The Glazers have the club in debt and have had nothing but will gain the profits from any sale

FFP is the regulated system - but its weighted - if you start bringing in wage caps then it must be across the whole of UEFA - that wont happen because other countries ticket prices are ok because of governemtn help
 
Liverpoolphil said:
But how many clubs actually make a profit overall - how many owners take home a nice juicy profit each year ? - pretty much none.
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According to the Accounts summary I've seen for y/e 2013 (latest available), 8 made profit; 12 made losses!

The losses, however, were vastly more than the profits - £50m (after previous year's £41m) by Liverpool, 52m/99m by City, 65m/23m by QPR, 56m/4m by Chelsea, 31m/10m bt Stoke, 13m.32m by Sunderland, 4m/24m by West Ham. Swansea had the largest Profit (21m/17m) with only Arsenal close over the 2 years (7m/37m).

Newcastle's profit (10m) and apparent lack of ambition, also known as sensible financial management, didn't endear Mike Ashley to the fans, but that's the blinkered nature of fans!
 
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Foxholer said:
According to the Accounts summary I've seen for y/e 2013 (latest available), 8 made profit; 12 made losses!

The losses, however, were vastly more than the profits - £50m (after previous year's £41m) by Liverpool, 52m/99m by City, 65m/23m by QPR, 56m/4m by Chelsea, 31m/10m bt Stoke, 13m.32m by Sunderland, 4m/24m by West Ham. Swansea had the largest Profit (21m/17m) with only Arsenal close over the 2 years (7m/37m).

Newcastle's profit (10m) and apparent lack of ambition, also known as sensible financial management, didn't endear Mike Ashley to the fans, but that's the blinkered nature of fans!
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But even Ashley has lost hundreds of millions over the years

And yes the fans want to see the better players , they want to see great football , they want to see trophies and success - that cost clubs money now - looking for profit doesn equate to profit
 
Liverpoolphil said:
And yes the fans want to see the better players , they want to see great football , they want to see trophies and success - that cost clubs money now - looking for profit doesn equate to profit
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Not true. As a Fulham fan and even on our European odyssey, it has always been about the quality of the play. As long as the side is playing a certain way, we've always been realistic to know we're not going to win too much. Even back in the bad old days of the old fourth division, as long as the team played the Fulham way, the fans were prepared to put up with an awful lot. Given the Bulstrode debacle around that time and Clay doing deals behind the clubs back, it certainly wasn't about the pounds shillings and pence and the fans wanted to be entertained. Unless you are a supporter of a top 6 PL side most supporters are happy that a) their side doesn't go down and b) entertains. Most know there's little to no chance of a trophy
 
HomerJSimpson said:
Not true. As a Fulham fan and even on our European odyssey, it has always been about the quality of the play. As long as the side is playing a certain way, we've always been realistic to know we're not going to win too much. Even back in the bad old days of the old fourth division, as long as the team played the Fulham way, the fans were prepared to put up with an awful lot. Given the Bulstrode debacle around that time and Clay doing deals behind the clubs back, it certainly wasn't about the pounds shillings and pence and the fans wanted to be entertained. Unless you are a supporter of a top 6 PL side most supporters are happy that a) their side doesn't go down and b) entertains. Most know there's little to no chance of a trophy
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Hence why i said in my post that fans want to see great football -

And for sides to stay in the premier league they need to buy the better players hence why sides pile lots of money into staying up and why they get parachute payments to enable them to still pay the higher wages.
 
Liverpoolphil said:
But even Ashley has lost hundreds of millions over the years
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Has he?

Can you point me to the figures?

He's certainly invested hundreds of millions - a) buying the club b) further investment to get it back on its feet and c) interest free loan(s). But much of that was his own (lack of Due Diligence) fault. The club was in a much greater mess than he (as a fan!) realised through the negotiations! Basically, it was bust and with further obligations due - and he paid over 130m for that liability!
 
HomerJSimpson said:
Different night and more goalpost shifting. It was clearly not a generic statement
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This is my statement

they want to see great football , they want to see trophies and success

Its generic about what fans want to see. That covers all fans from all walks of life without going specifics

No goalposts have been shift.
 
Liverpoolphil said:
This is my statement

they want to see great football , they want to see trophies and success

Its generic about what fans want to see. That covers all fans from all walks of life without going specifics

No goalposts have been shift.
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So the likes of Fulham, Bury and Crewe for the want of three clubs are going to get trophies and success. You have a very blinkered life from your lofty PL perch. Most fans, especially the trues ones shelling out chunks to follow their side all over the country do so more in hope than any form of expectation. I've followed Fulham home and away when we were in the real depths going to the likes of Grimsby on a January Tuesday. Do you honestly think that's what we went along to see. A trophy, successful side. As I said (and you ignored) most fans are happy watching a side put a different shift in. Most are never going to see scintillating football and household names (unless well on their way to retirement)

Like I say, blinded by the PL bright lights and yes I feel you are picking and choosing the points again so I'll give it a miss. I'm aware of the other posts and I don't want to have to justify every word as normal. I'm done with your nit picking
 
HomerJSimpson said:
So the likes of Fulham, Bury and Crewe for the want of three clubs are going to get trophies and success.

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Like I say, blinded by the PL bright lights and yes I feel you are picking and choosing the points again so I'll give it a miss. I'm aware of the other posts and I don't want to have to justify every word as normal. I'm done with your nit picking
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Don't you want to succeed (and win the Trophy) in The Championship?

Success for many clubs is avoiding relegation!

The thread is, however, about Liverpool - a PL side that might contend for the Title!
 
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Foxholer said:
Don't you want to succeed (and win the Trophy) in The Championship?

Success for many clubs is avoiding relegation!
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Exactly - success comes in many forms - winning trophies , gaining promotion , staying in the league , getting into Europe , getting to Wemberlee etc etc
 
Stuart_C said:
What I'm more concerned about is clubs and owners making millions whilst us the fans are being ripped a new one with sky high ticket prices that is pricing people out of attending games.

People talk about salary caps etc but the 1st thing that should be capped is ticket prices , football should be accessible to all.

I appreciate that clubs need as much revenue as possible to compete but it shouldn't come at a cost to the fans. Especially with the amount of revenue they're already taking in through sponsorship

Look how Cheap the German fans can access football compared to English fans.

If and its a very big if FFP is policed correctly then yes Arsenals model will survive better than most.

On a side note look at how United have been taken over by "foreign investors" and those investors have put very little of their own cash into it,yet placed a massive amount of debt onto the club.

Bigger stadiums,with greater revenue and sponsorship should mean cheaper tickets.
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Supply and demand big lad , more demand then supply , as long as someone is willing to pay it will go on , look at them overated golf courses in ireland and scotland , over a 100 quid to play , troon for example , over the wall same greenstaff and its 30 quid ..............
 
Liverpoolphil said:
Exactly - success comes in many forms - winning trophies , gaining promotion , staying in the league , getting into Europe , getting to Wemberlee etc etc
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You never mentioned promotion or staying up and it was all about success so yes there is a shift. How many fans outside the top of the PL think of Europe or Wembley. I'm realistic enough to assume that even getting into the play off this season isn't a given let alone winning the title. What about fans from most of the nationwide? What do they dream off?

Your replies are cherry picking more and more and adding more and more elements to justify the point. You can never concede a point or accept alternative views. Done with this and back on ignore you go Phil
 
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HomerJSimpson said:
So the likes of Fulham, Bury and Crewe for the want of three clubs are going to get trophies and success. You have a very blinkered life from your lofty PL perch. Most fans, especially the trues ones shelling out chunks to follow their side all over the country do so more in hope than any form of expectation. I've followed Fulham home and away when we were in the real depths going to the likes of Grimsby on a January Tuesday. Do you honestly think that's what we went along to see. A trophy, successful side. As I said (and you ignored) most fans are happy watching a side put a different shift in. Most are never going to see scintillating football and household names (unless well on their way to retirement)


Well said , i still go to AFC Bournemouth every so often , even went to wembley we we lost to grimsby on the golden goal , enjoyed that day ....................
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JCW said:
...i still go to AFC Bournemouth every so often , even went to wembley we we lost to grimsby on the golden goal , enjoyed that day ....................
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Soccer Saturday is more entertaining when 'the monkey-hangers' are playing - specially if they have a chance to win!
 
Foxholer said:
Has he?

Can you point me to the figures?

He's certainly invested hundreds of millions - a) buying the club b) further investment to get it back on its feet and c) interest free loan(s). But much of that was his own (lack of Due Diligence) fault. The club was in a much greater mess than he (as a fan!) realised through the negotiations! Basically, it was bust and with further obligations due - and he paid over 130m for that liability!
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i think i read somewhere that Newcastle owe him around £260 million - but that does include the purchase price ( about 90 - 100 million )
 
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